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The Mighty Boosh Season 1 Episode 7 Electro (Patreon)

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2023-06-03 22:59:01
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Stephen

That initial 'Spirit of Jazz' scene is absolute gold, the flaming hat twist cracks me up no matter how many times I watch it.

Anonymous

98% of people whom made a complaint about this episode were virtue signaling white people. The exact same nitwits who complained about Papa Lazarou in 'The League of Gentlemen'. Humorless, context missing plebs, taking offence on other people's behalf.

BelladonnicHazeyJaneII

Loved the jazz man's firey hat scene 😄🎩 Thanks for sharing your thoughts at the end, it must be a bit of a dilemma, sometimes, whether or not to speak about things like that on camera because whatever you say, there's bound to be someone who won't like it lol. Glad you left it in. I think nuances, context and intent are really important in issues like that, which a lot of people gloss over when choosing which side to fall down on. Not just over blackface etc but on lots of issues. And as you say, the character here is meant to be a non existent, mythical being, not an actual representation of a real black person. It was really well done imo as well as funny :) And now I really want to know what songs you put on your mate's CD that he thought were so bad he chucked it out of the window 😂

Relyx

Absolutely love this episode. The Spirit of Jazz is a hilarious character. Very glad you shared your thoughts on the whole blackface controversy at the end though. I'm of the mind that if it's not perpetuating harmful stereotypes, not belittling people, it's probably okay keeping in mind a few other nuances (not taking roles from minorities etc.). They for sure could have gotten a black guy to play The Spirit of Jazz and Rudy, but I personally think it would feel a bit out of place. One of the major points of the show is that Noel and Julian play the significant characters, or occasionally Rich Fulcher. Throw into the mix that the show is very out there and all the characters are larger than life, I think that makes a difference too, similar to Papa Lazarou in League of Gentlemen (which again had a very small cast playing a huge range of roles). Anyway, I'm just glad you spoke about it, and the many facets and nuances that go into the matter. As you said, you don't speak for all black people, and everyone draws their own line, but realistically most of us patrons are probably white and likely can't appreciate things in the same way, so it's good to hear the opinions of those outside our bubble. Especially when it's in a contemplative way, and not just screaming on twitter as is often the case with these things.

Anonymous

I think with stuff like this it's important to recognise and respect why some people may find it offensive. Even if the intent clearly wasn't to mock black people, it's not too hard to understand why it may be a little close to the bone for a white man to wear blackface and imitate a stereotypical black character when there's so much history behind that being done maliciously with minstrel shows and such. I'm a huge Boosh fan, and so when this stuff was in the news it was hard to look at it objectively. I didn't want to concede that these characters were insensitive in any way because of how that reflects on the show, and on me by virtue of being a fan. I still find it funny, but the humour in the scene isn't what people took issue with, so whether it's funny or not isn't that relevant, it's not the humour that's insensitive but the character itself. With all that said, I made all sorts of edgy insensitive jokes growing up that I look back on and cringe and wouldn't make now, that's just part of learning and growing up. I don't think if the show was made today Noel or Julian would do blackface, the world's moved on, but at the time this kind of thing just wasn't seen in the same way. I think there has to be a degree of leniency when looking at stuff that was made in the past.

Z is for Zed
>>109965161

"taking offence on other people's behalf" This really triggers my Dad. He grew up in a rural area in the 50s/60s, so was the only black person a lot of people knew at the time. Current year fat white cat ladies telling him he's too stupid to understand why he should be upset offends him more than anything that's ever been on TV. He loves Lazarou.

Anonymous
>>109977198

killing and torturing people is i would say worse thn painting your face and yet no one seems to be crying about that in tv and movies, comedy has NO boundaries, you can either accept it or be offended.

Saul

I appreciate how careful and nuanced your arguments were at the end there Josh. To me, the main problem with this subject is that people like yourself and like a lot of commenters here don't really represent the conversations we hear about the subject. The media aren't interested in a nuanced conversation, they want eyeballs so they choose the most extreme dogmatic takes from both sides and make them face off. To me, the side that says 'blackface is fine' is obviously significantly more wrong than the side that says 'blackface is never fine'. But I do think both sides are wrong, one very, the other slightly. How about if a black director makes a film about American variety shows in the 30s? Is historical realism and a black director enough to justify it? Or even the Rob Downey Jr scenes in Tropic Thunder, which were expressly written as a critique of blackface itself(the Simple Jack trailer from Tropic Thunder doesn't look too good in retrospect either, but again, it was a critique of able bodied actors playing disabled characters, like Sean Penn in I Am Sam, Hoffman in Rainman, etc.). These are edge cases, and mostly it's so toxic, and represents such a slippery slope, that it's best to avoid it. But we can talk about it in terms that aren't completely absolute as well. Ugh, I feel very worthy now.

Saul
>>109977198

@Jade - I think the threat in the background, the threat that some people don't seem to quite grasp, is the threat of all this stuff coming back. The slippery slope argument(which is not necessarily a fallacy). Like when Trump rose to power - the normalisation of basic racism. Which has happened to an extent, partly down to him, but mainly down to social media. The amount of open racism I see online is just unbelievable. And yet, before the internet absolutely none of these spineless shits dared breathe a word in the real world. I never heard anyone say anything even half as racist as the least racist thing I've read in Youtube comment sections or on Twitter. It has been normalised. This is not a criticism of you by the way, but I am almost certain you wouldn't have said 'you can either accept it or be offended' if we were all talking in a room together. You'd have said something a little more nuanced. But we talk differently online, I do it too. And over time that kind of stuff gets normalised. Normalisation is really powerful. It's the reason tyrants want control of the media, so they can normalise their own tyranny. So that's the worry with blackface. And it'll always be a worry, because there will always be people who want to normalise it, who want to see it come back, because they're just racist and they like being bigoted.

Anonymous
>>109985010

I could've saved you a lot of words and recommended you said "It's all about context" There is no denigrating of black people, I ultimately agree with everything you said in that post.

Saul
>>109985010

@lee t - people disagree about what appropriate context is. So that doesn’t help much either. I think we’re all on our own on this. There’s no real rule that everyone in society will accept. ‘Context’ is contextual too.

Relyx
>>109985010

"Context is contextual too". That's fantastic. Because it's absolutely right. Like we could all understand the exact same nuances, with regards to the premise of the show, the production, the time, the history of black face, racism towards blacks in the UK vs the US, etc. We could all have that exact same knowledge of all the facts, but whether we think it is offensive is down to our individual opinions, based on our life experiences, our moral views etc. So even with all the knowledge in the world there is no definitive answer.

mrtheevilmage

The Spirit of Jazz, probably my second fav Boosh character after The Hitcher

Anonymous
>>109989112

I'm not to stubborn to fall on my sword. You are right. Just in my opinion, I really don't see any denigration of race. But I'm not a black person. I honestly can't see it, but that makes your point clearer ultimately.

BigChanChan

Eddie Murphy has been doing white faces, Chinese and Jewish impersonations for a long time, yet nobody ever complains about that 🤔

Saul
>>109985010

@Lee T - No need to fall on your sword mate. I think we both agree.

Jay
>>110019716

Let's not forget the movie 'White Chicks' either.

Anonymous

So good. The hat part cracks me up more everytime I see it. For me this episode is where Mighty Boosh starts to hit its stride, followed by a season 2 which is some of the best Boosh there is 👌

Austin Stratton

Everything 'controversial' should always be viewed through it's context.. Black people use the N word as a term of endearment and if you ask a lot, my friends included, they will say they couldn't care less if I used it.. Offence to a word should be based on how it's used. I understand that particular word has history, but black people rose above it and have taken nearly all of the power out of it. In this episode, the black make-up isn't being used in a derogatory way and is trying to evoke the jazz age that was mostly encompassed and even invented in the black community.. using a white guy in that context wouldn't have had the same effect and just ignoring the fact that it was invented by black people would have just offended a different bunch of people.. I think they made the right choice to do it. I'm white and those are my views on it, honestly. This video on Youtube of a guy dressing up in culturally appropriated clothing and asking people not from that culture if they found his outfit offensive is a perfect example. The people not from the culture all said yes it was offensive and the people he asked from that culture absolutely loved his outfit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNXm7juuM-8