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The Bored Boar

You know that people in Japan refer to stuff like Minions and Disney Animated Movies as "Anime"?

Steve

Im about 7 months late, but its called Western Animation, Cartoons implies its for kids, so yea, there is Japanese Animation, and Western.

Infinity

fun fact thats the least interesting thing about his character stop turning people and characters into their sexuality weirdo

Kaydin

I’m loving this show 😭

SlyMorris

Steins gate please bro I’m down bad I just want to see a reply

Smash Bran'Discootch

YO I'M SO HYPE! Now that the introductory episodes are over, the REAL show starts.

Blind 3D

Nice 😈

Sera

I just finished this show today. It's so good

Sam

Yes! Been waiting for this, thanks all. Glad you seem to be liking it but it honestly gets better every episode from here, in my opinion. So keen to watch it again with you all

mitch anderson

Not gonna lie, I wasn't expecting much from this show but I finished it and I was pleasntly surprised. It's really good.

Ryder LS

It's honestly insane how they never watched Steins Gate, they would absolutely love it

Gunny

Submit To steins gate what’s wrong with submission 🤫😈

LordTouchMe

YAY! ITS HERE!!

Lightbane1905

The VA for the Dragon and Kreig was David Tenant FYI Roshi

Benjamin Moore

Lupa right though, the line is getting blurry.

MaybeNextTime

Yo. I love Scanlan bro.

Asad Khabir (edited)

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2022-03-03 12:32:28 Wait holy fuck that's David Tenant!?
2022-03-01 02:35:34 Wait holy fuck that's David Tenant!?

Wait holy fuck that's David Tenant!?

Kamo King

Agree with other comments, Steins Gate is a classic, and it ain't #3 on MAL top anime for no reason. Also one of the rare shows where both dub and sub are absolutely god-tier, and I hate dub 99/100 times

Smash Bran'Discootch

So since you're enjoying this, allow me to welcome you all into the Critter community. Critter is the term for a critical role fan, and as this is a direct retelling of their 1st campaign, you definitely qualify. I encourage you to check out the original streams. I know you probably won't, and that's totally fine. It's definitely a time sink but well worth it. The lady in the carriage at the end, Delilah, is voiced by Grey Griffin who voiced AZULA in Avatar The Last Airbender. Also i think its really funny how Roshi hones in on like the only two easter eggs that he would have he would have no context for whatsoever. The sandal is an homage to The Sandal, a single sandal that Gary Gygax, one of the creators of dungeons and dragons, made himself. It weirdly became a collector's item and some rich eccentric or another owns it now. The book Tusk Love is an easter egg related to critical role's second campaign. The real show starts next episode and yall are in for a treat.

SuicideSixx

Nah man that black king is aqualads voice actor sounds just like him if not

Quintin

Y'all notice how General Krieg (storm dragon) said to the soldiers: "A storm's blowing through tonight." Nice bit of foreshadowing. Also, the camera moved up to show the sky and it seemed pretty calm and it was dead quiet. Thought it was odd so it caught my attention. Not sure if it was intentional though.

Thilde

The 2 episodes are definitely the weakest of the 1st season so I'm excited for you guys to experience everything going forward!

Isaac

Why do people make it complicated on what's considered an "anime" now-a-days, especially where it doesn't apply ... like this show. This ain't an anime. If you have to ask yourself "Is this an anime" then you just answered your own question. It is anime inspired though, due to a lot of western people being strongly influenced by anime back in the day.

Gtgreen3

Btw Delilah is voiced by the same person that voiced Azula in Avatar the Last Airbender

Isaac

Don't forget Vicky from Fairly Odd Parents.

Isaac

No it isn't. Honestly, it should be obvious just by looking. This isn't an anime. The only thing "anime" about it is that nearly all the main cast are voice actors for anime dubs. Really you answered your own question by asking the question "Is this an anime?" Because if it wasn't obvious to you, then it shouldn't be considered it, even if it was a Japanese studio because the aesthetic/style/feel isn't intended to be "anime" unless you wanna count "anime inspired" as that and if you do then everything that isn't obvious "cartoon" is an anime.

aj

seeing vox machina again after watching the dnd show's 1st campaign hits different, i missed these characters

Smash Bran'Discootch

Yeah, that is 100% David Tennant. He also voices Scrooge McDuck in the new Duck Tales. They've also got The Hound from Game of Thrones, Merry from Lord of the Rings, Reinhardt from Overwatch. Symmetra from Overwatch, Muthafuckin GINA TORRES, and of course Felicia Day.

Smash Bran'Discootch

Yep, you are correct. Thats Khary Payton. He's friends with all of the cast members and has been on Critical Role multiple times as well as Undeadwood.

Conf3tti

Anime is just short for "animation" therefore all animation is anime. simpsons? anime. ATLA? anime. charlie brown? ANIME.

Teyon Alexander

Now the meat and potatoes part of the meal begins. Order up!

kurumi Tokisaki

Its a cartoon, just like batman the animated series, shaolin showdown, Jackie Chan adventures, and ozzy and drix. Just wanted to show my age off a bit lol

Marko (edited)

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2022-03-03 12:32:28 Bruh they aint got time for all that noise, D&D community needa chill lmaoo
2022-03-01 03:20:01 Bruh they aint got time for all that noise, D&D community needa chill lmaoo

Bruh they aint got time for all that noise, D&D community needa chill lmaoo

Isaac

Let's be real here. When someone says "anime" they don't think "animation." They think Japanese animated media. We all didn't grow up like that otherwise the question wouldn't come up.

Isaac

Don't forget he did Cyborg ( Injustice 2 and Teen Titans ) and Black Lightning ( Young Justice ).

Jhon Doe

Nigga its called a cartoon

bandi138138

Next episode is where the story kicks off for real

Omegajim

best Anime

Joseph

Xiaolin showdown was the shit back then I loved every episode and was super underrated

Smash Bran'Discootch

lmfao i literally said i know they aren't gonna watch this, but feel free to fuck AAAALLLLL the way off. It's literally the same thing as when they're watching an anime and someone encourages them to read the manga.

StorySmith []

So fun fact vax is actually Bi so he does in fact enjoy Gilmore’s attention.

Smash Bran'Discootch

It was 100% intentional. That was the clue that was supposed to make you realize it was him. The dead quiet sky was supposed to add weight to what he said to show like, "Wait, what storm? Ohhhhh, yep he's the dragon."

themightyabe

What's crazy is these two episodes are way worse than the rest of the show. Everything after this episode is some of the best TV I've seen in a while.

TBone

Do you really think the guy that can sell a magical weapon that can kill a dragon don't have anything in store to survive any type of attack ?

Shawn

Anime is strictly and specifically Japanese animation/cartoons.

David Emerson

Seemed very obvious since back when he was flirting with guy whos hand was cut off in episode 1

Frizen

That was pretty obvious, do you think they don't have eyes and ears?

Big Juls

Steins gate reaction when? I'm tryna see ya'lls brains get clapped

Frizen

By the western definition, we may use it to categorize things but that doesn't mean we get to overwrite the the word's home definition.

Coatl45

So here’s a question. What do the Japanese call western cartoons?

Isaac

Japanese people refer to everything, even our Western cartoons, as anime because when they say it they mean "animation" regardless of country origin. However when we use it, MOST of us saying anime are exclusively referring to Japanese media because that's how we grew up with the term.

Isaac

Just a fun factoid I stated in a comment I wanted to put out as its own thing here. In Japan, the people refer animated pieces of media as "Anime" regardless of country origin. So technically yes, Vox Machina is an anime along with The Simpsons, Family Guy, Spongebob, etc. However, we in the west did not grow up with that in mind. We had cartoons growing up and so we used the word, cartoons. Then when we came across Pokemon, DBZ, Sailormoon, etc. we were told these were "anime" and grew up with the thought that anime is exclusively a Japanese media thing if it came from Japan and overtime we associated specific art styles, character designs, tropes to differentiate our cartoons from their anime. Years later, the people who grew up on anime made their own shows with anime-esque designs here and there which is making it hard to define what technically is and isn't "anime" by our western definition. Vox Machina is just an adult animation ( and a lot of us avoid saying it's a cartoon because that's kiddie stuff ) and not an anime. We don't call Young Justice a DC cartoon, we say DC animated series and not DC anime otherwise people would get the wrong idea.

Marko

LOL aw did I hurt you? Horrible analogy btw

kurumi Tokisaki

Eh any animated show in the west falls "under" the category of a cartoon. If its more story driven it will most likely be called an " animated series." ie; X men animated series, batman animated series so on and so forth. However, if its Japanese its anime and if its western issa cartoon regardless of art style.

Kingmakaii

That bandit reaction would of been my reaction to like tf 😭

Dude559

That king.....his voice actor's in Young Justice right?

Arc

Vin Diesel was in one of the DnD campaigns

Isaac

And Teen Titans Cyborg. And Young Justice Black Lightning.

Bosastar

And he’s on the walking dead, the guy that owns the tiger

Don Keedick

When you redo the trio poll please add Hinamatsuri

Reckless Company

i have a question do all the dragons go around killing? like are there no good dragons im cuz im not sure i dont play DND clarification plz lol

Scott Tyson

Yeah really feels like first 2 are a crash course of hey these are the characters personalities and quirks. Now lets start the story!

Hide1440

When will you guys watch NGNL0? I'm really waiting for this one and I hope the file doesn't get corrupted either. (:

Fobbles

No there’s good dragons, a lot of them don’t like to outright fight for people and instead make them better in the long run though.

Frith the Storyteller

Fun fact for the anime debate: the voice actors who play the main cast have also voiced a bunch of dubbed anime and video game series. For example, Vax is the english VA for Gaara. This show has some heavyweight VAs on here!

Tim Chaos

They’re all well known but Grog being Roy Mustang’s VA is my favorite hehehe

Jaime Ruiz

This and Invincible and other shows like it are just cartoons. Non of the anime weeb shit

Syphonics

Just want to say, there is also a difference between labeling a show as an 'animated series', as in a western cartoon thats more story driven, and the two examples you gave, Batman and Xmen, which are shows that are named 'Batman The Animated Series' and the same for Xmen. Batman, for example, isn't really story driven, at least not in a seasons long arc kind of way. Not that it doesn't change and grow over time, but that was more driven from behind the scenes (like the change from Batman the Animated Series to calling it The New Batman Adventures) rather than happening in the show.

KairosTheOne

Funny thing I noticed was when Grog ran at the dragon…he wasn’t running, man’s is literally so damn strong he covered that distance in two big steps 😂

Ohais

DnD lore describes Chromatic dragons, dragons with coloured scales/hides, as evil creatures to varying degrees dependant on the colour. While metallic dragons, dragons with scales/hides like metal, as being generally good, to varying degrees. There are different personality types dependent on the colour or metal-type, but to be honest, it's up to the dungeon master how they present the dragons as characters. They could fully choose to do their own thing with dragons

TheDroppedFry (edited)

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2022-03-03 12:32:25 Oh boy if you don't like anime I am not sure why you signed up for this 90% anime watching trio lmao, no sweat tho I'm glad Roshi & the crew are gettin the bag
2022-03-02 02:13:17 Oh boy if you don't like anime I am not sure why you signed up for this 90% anime watching trio lmao, no sweat tho I'm glad Roshi & the crew are gettin the bag

Oh boy if you don't like anime I am not sure why you signed up for this 90% anime watching trio lmao, no sweat tho I'm glad Roshi & the crew are gettin the bag

BZD

If something is inspired by Japanese anime it can be considered anime as well. I forget the official definition, but I do know that ATLA falls under the category of anime.

Foxyguava

The funny thing is... cartoon/anime/moving animated pictures whatever the fuck, 90% of it is animated in Japan, Korea, etc anyway. At least partially to decrease workload or to finalize initial layouts

Christian Acosta

“Inspired by anime” by definition implies it isn’t actually anime, but instead inspired by it. Not gonna start a debate because honestly it doesn’t matter. ATLA and TLOK definitely aren’t anime though, nor should they have to be to be considered good shows. And before someone brings it up, yes I know stuff like shrek is considered “anime” in Japan because its animation. I’m referring to what is traditionally considered “anime” by most people due to a variety of factors.

Argo2Unitard

Anime is literally just shorthand for animation. It doesn't depict a genre, a style, or anything, it's just a medium. The only reason to differentiate would be to set a line between Western and Eastern animation, which has been blurred since the early 2000s. At this point, trying to categorize the two is like separating two flavors of Gatorade after pouring both into a single glass. Animators, artistic styles, storywriters, voice actors, soundtracks all come from different parts of the world to work on a single project these days.

Zarvick

Okay, is the king’s VA the same person that does Black Lightning from Young Justice? Also was that lance a Dragon Lance reference 🤣

Silent Doe

General Krieg is voiced by David Tennant

LordTouchMe

Voiced by Khary Payton, who did indeed do Black Lightning in Young Justice, but also Aqualad and a couple others, plus Cyborg in Teen Titans and Teen Titans Go, among many other voices in cartoons over the years. Plus he was in The Walking Dead

BZD

You know what. You’re right. I don’t know what kind of weird definition I somehow found, but after looking it up again, I definitely found a weird definition the first time.

HIM (edited)

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2022-03-03 12:32:24 Okay , just because this really bugs me, let me clarify to the masses that THIS is not an anime, nor is Arcane or Invincible, and neither is Avatar. Anime, like manga, is the asian term forTHEIR cartoons and comic books. What we in the "West" call a cartoon is what they call an anime. It's honestly just semantics, because it's just a different way to say the same thing. If you wanna get all philosophical and dream of how anime is a 'culture' and how it's roots are blah blah blah, then fine. Some people still think Rap and Hip hop are two different genres. Just understand there's no difference in genre here. An animated production is an animated production.
2022-03-03 00:03:38

The Pebble (edited)

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2022-03-03 12:32:25 Never understood people and their intense desire and need to label everything. Nothing can just be as it is, ya'll going so hard over such a pointless argument that doesn't change the quality of the show in any way so who cares...
2022-03-03 10:55:50 Never understood people and their intense desire and need to label everything. Nothing can just be as it is, ya'll going so hard over such a pointless argument that doesn't change the quality of the show in any way so who cares...

Never understood people and their intense desire and need to label everything. Nothing can just be as it is, ya'll going so hard over such a pointless argument that doesn't change the quality of the show in any way so who cares...

Didier (edited)

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2022-03-10 12:25:20 To add to the sterile "anime vs cartoon" semantics debate : I always found it weird how American people use "Anime" as if it was someone's name or some qualifying adjective. They never conjugate it in the plural form. Instead of saying "I like to watch a bunch of animes" they'll say "I like to watch Anime", which always sounded weird to me. And yeah, the word is just a shortcut for "ANIMAYted", which is literally just an english word. From my experience, when Japanese people talk about US cartoons, they won't usually say "Cartoon", they'll say "Amerika no anime". By those standards, you guys should call animes "Japanese cartoons" too. So it's kinda ridiculous to act triggered when people call animes cartoons, because this is literally what it is. There is a general consensus that anime characters are more realistic than cartoon characters, but it is false. Just because they don't wear 4-fingered plush white gloves doesn't make them realistic. They tend to have overly simplified pointy noses, giant eyes and mouths, no facial bone structure whatsoever as if their faces were flat (I'm not even talking about how their mouths move as if it was detached from their jaws), and the overly exaggerated way they talk is not how Japanese people talk in real life, just like cartoons characters' voices sound cartoony. Anime and manga characters are literally just Japanese toons, even if the traditional "toon" formula may sound outdated to some of you. Just remember that Osamu Tezuka was a huge Walt Disney fan and his Astro Boy (Atom) character was a direct inspiration from Disney's interpretation of Pinocchio. Similarily, there are a bunch of Superman references in Akira Toriyama's works. The fact that some panels in the Dragon Ball manga were literally traced from Jademan Comics pages (an editor which was only available in the US at the time) and that Toyotarô traced over Dexter Soy's "Captain Marvel : In Pursuit Of Flight" #1 for his DBS cover of July 2018's V-Jump makes it look like Toriyama advised him to do so, so you can see the guy always been a huge US Comics nerd (that plus all the Hollywood references in his mangas). The reason why Japanese animators developed their own style is because they lacked budget in comparison to the American blockbusters, so they had to develop techniques to make it look visually entertaining while keeping it cheap enough to produce a lot of quantity. But look at Gainax & Trigger studios productions like Panty & Stocking or Little Witch Academia. These works are full of references to 2000's Cartoon Network and Hanna Barbera. So you may say that there is a contemporary difference in style, but Japanese authors and animators never tried to deny the American roots of their culture. In fact, the first Japanese shônen protagonists were Tokusatsu's costumed heroes, which literally were a Japanese response to US superheroes.
2022-03-05 04:05:18 To add to the sterile "anime vs cartoon" semantics debate : I always found it weird how American people use "Anime" as if it was someone's name or some qualifying adjective. They never conjugate it in the plural form. Instead of saying "I like to watch a bunch of animes" they'll say "I like to watch Anime", which always sounded weird to me. And yeah, the word is just a shortcut for "ANIMAYted", which is literally just an english word. From my experience, when Japanese people talk about US cartoons, they won't usually say "Cartoon", they'll say "Amerika no anime". By those standards, you guys should call animes "Japanese cartoons" too. So it's kinda ridiculous to act triggered when people call animes cartoons, because this is literally what it is. There is a general consensus that anime characters are more realistic than cartoon characters, but it is false. Just because they don't wear 4-fingered plush white gloves doesn't make them realistic. They tend to have overly simplified pointy noses, giant eyes and mouths, no facial bone structure whatsoever as if their faces were flat (I'm not even talking about how their mouths move as if it was detached from their jaws), and the overly exaggerated way they talk is not how Japanese people talk in real life, just like cartoons characters' voices sound cartoony. Anime and manga characters are literally just Japanese toons, even if the traditional "toon" formula may sound outdated to some of you. Just remember that Osamu Tezuka was a huge Walt Disney fan and his Astro Boy (Atom) character was a direct inspiration from Disney's interpretation of Pinocchio. Similarily, there are a bunch of Superman references in Akira Toriyama's works. The fact that some panels in the Dragon Ball manga were literally traced from Jademan Comics pages (an editor which was only available in the US at the time) and that Toyotarô traced over Dexter Soy's "Captain Marvel : In Pursuit Of Flight" #1 for his DBS cover of July 2018's V-Jump makes it look like Toriyama advised him to do so, so you can see the guy always been a huge US Comics nerd (that plus all the Hollywood references in his mangas). The reason why Japanese animators developed their own style is because they lacked budget in comparison to the American blockbusters, so they had to develop techniques to make it look visually entertaining while keeping it cheap enough to produce a lot of quantity. But look at Gainax & Trigger studios productions like Panty & Stocking or Little Witch Academia. These works are full of references to 2000's Cartoon Network and Hanna Barbera. So you may say that there is a contemporary difference in style, but Japanese authors and animators never tried to deny the American roots of their culture. In fact, the first Japanese shônen protagonists were Tokusatsu's costumed heroes, which literally were a Japanese response to US superheroes.

To add to the sterile "anime vs cartoon" semantics debate : I always found it weird how American people use "Anime" as if it was someone's name or some qualifying adjective. They never conjugate it in the plural form. Instead of saying "I like to watch a bunch of animes" they'll say "I like to watch Anime", which always sounded weird to me. And yeah, the word is just a shortcut for "ANIMAYted", which is literally just an english word. From my experience, when Japanese people talk about US cartoons, they won't usually say "Cartoon", they'll say "Amerika no anime". By those standards, you guys should call animes "Japanese cartoons" too. So it's kinda ridiculous to act triggered when people call animes cartoons, because this is literally what it is. There is a general consensus that anime characters are more realistic than cartoon characters, but it is false. Just because they don't wear 4-fingered plush white gloves doesn't make them realistic. They tend to have overly simplified pointy noses, giant eyes and mouths, no facial bone structure whatsoever as if their faces were flat (I'm not even talking about how their mouths move as if it was detached from their jaws), and the overly exaggerated way they talk is not how Japanese people talk in real life, just like cartoons characters' voices sound cartoony. Anime and manga characters are literally just Japanese toons, even if the traditional "toon" formula may sound outdated to some of you. Just remember that Osamu Tezuka was a huge Walt Disney fan and his Astro Boy (Atom) character was a direct inspiration from Disney's interpretation of Pinocchio. Similarily, there are a bunch of Superman references in Akira Toriyama's works. The fact that some panels in the Dragon Ball manga were literally traced from Jademan Comics pages (an editor which was only available in the US at the time) and that Toyotarô traced over Dexter Soy's "Captain Marvel : In Pursuit Of Flight" #1 for his DBS cover of July 2018's V-Jump makes it look like Toriyama advised him to do so, so you can see the guy always been a huge US Comics nerd (that plus all the Hollywood references in his mangas). The reason why Japanese animators developed their own style is because they lacked budget in comparison to the American blockbusters, so they had to develop techniques to make it look visually entertaining while keeping it cheap enough to produce a lot of quantity. But look at Gainax & Trigger studios productions like Panty & Stocking or Little Witch Academia. These works are full of references to 2000's Cartoon Network and Hanna Barbera. So you may say that there is a contemporary difference in style, but Japanese authors and animators never tried to deny the American roots of their culture. In fact, the first Japanese shônen protagonists were Tokusatsu's costumed heroes, which literally were a Japanese response to US superheroes.

Didier

That being said, I totally get what the team is getting at. At 21:51, when the dragon said "Impossible..." I could literally hear him say "Sonna...Masaka" in Japanese ahah. This kind of in-fight twist looks like the usual trope you tend to find in every shônen story. And that may just be me, but the battle choirs in the background music kinda reminded me of Shippuden's OST too. It's all good tho. Japanimation is ruling the sales nowadays, so if there is really an influence at work here then there's nothing wrong about it. Just remember that we're all a bunch of talking monkeys copying each other. Monkey see, monkey do. That's how art works anyway.

Didier

I tend to disagree. It's true that many cartoons back in the day followed the "one intrigue per episode" formula without the episodes being related to each other, but it was because of the TV format. It was so that TV channels could air them without caring about the airing order. These shows were used to fill a gap to audiences for specific hours of the day. But a lot of live-action series followed that same formulaic pattern too, yet would you say they're not actual series simply because of that? Of course not. I think the whole "animated series vs cartoons" dichotomy is a false one, just like how comics writers started to call their works "graphic novels" simply because "comics" sounded too childish in the ears of the highbrow audience.

Smash Bran'Discootch

Of course there's an anime influence in this show. Literally all of the main cast have dubbed anime and some of them have specifically worked adapting scripts for american dubbing. They all have EXTENSIVE careers in anime and are all fans.

Smash Bran'Discootch

"Imagine being the guy with the dragon killing weapon who doesn't lend it out and the dragon just comes and cooks him" Awwwwwwww, Roshi it's cute that you think a dragon is any match for Shaun Gilmore, The Runechild.

Dylan

It's kind of funny because "stay away from the woods" was actually a common warning for most medieval villagers. Traveling for anyone could become really dangerous (because it was much harder for kingdoms to patrol large swaths of lands and the more remote the area the less likely you were to receive protection.

soul

The tree thing actually still happens today. people will put them on long roads or not often traveled highways, then when they stop they rob or kidnap them.

WackySwacky

The red herring could not have been more obvious.

シュモーク

It definitely could have. I guessed it was him when Fince showed up to the room after the dragon attack and acted extra suspicious, as I'm sure plenty of people did. It was a little overboard on making him seem like the dragon, but to say it couldn't have been more obvious is just untrue.

Drake Rage

Guys, the Suspicious guy with the King is clearly not the bad guy. This would literally be a Cartoon for kids if everything was going to be that obvious, lol. Assuming this is not a Cartoon, I am going to choose my #1 suspect 5 mins into this episode: The fricken General could be the Dragon, seeing how he gave an inspirational speech and went into the tent and never came out when the Dragon attacked? LMAO. Edit: Well shit I was hoping there was an actual twist in there, but it was exactly how it seemed, lol. I hope the story is just warming up and we get into deeper shit later on. Bonus: The new dude at the end's name was Silas? Like the Werewolf from The Quarry :o

Joseph C Gdaniec

"Western anime" is just cartoons bro, literally called and anime if a CARTOON is made by a japanese studio. They are all cartoons no need to overthink it and just call it an animated series

Spadez

Hence the name. Vox Machina...or Voice Machine....since the entire crew that voiced the main characters are the literal PLAYERS of the campaign they had animated. Voice actors FTW As for the whole "it is or isn't anime!" Honestly I don't care for that argument. I will call it what I will, you call it what you will, and if you feel strong enough to try to argue over it....have fun. Lets just get some popcorn, pop in the next anime VHS and watch this shit!