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Damn gonna miss this show, what a cliffhanger

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Cheesecake

Truly one of the biggest “fuck you, go read the manga” moments I’ve ever seen

Imari

Bojack horseman? 😭

yahye

BRO WHY DID SHE STOP MARU????

Tusk Ish (edited)

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2023-06-26 23:14:50 mad AF that they offscreened so much of that and let him live on top of it???
2023-06-26 20:56:28 mad AF that they offscreened so much of that beatdown**** and let him live on top of it??? Edited this so socially weird mfs don’t think I’m mad about not seeing rape

mad AF that they offscreened so much of that beatdown**** and let him live on top of it??? Edited this so socially weird mfs don’t think I’m mad about not seeing rape

Theo Vorster (edited)

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2023-06-26 23:14:50 For those interested in reading along with the manga, Episode 13 adapted all of chapter 33, a little more than half of chapter 34 (18/34 pages), the last page of chapter 36 (1/31 pages), all of chapter 37, one scene from the first half of chapter 38 (4/28 pages), and half of a scene from the latter half of chapter 39 (3/24 pages). This is equivalent to about 2.83 chapters of manga. 5 pages from the end of chapter 34 that are important to the plot also remain unadapted. So combined with the brief flashes of memory from episode 3, the extended memory from Kiriko that Kiruko “remembers” in today’s episode (along with the comments from Robin’s goons) provides further evidence that Robin had (unfortunately) been in a sexual relationship with Kiriko in the past. Keep in mind Robin was in his early-to-mid 20s during 2034, and Kiriko was only 15, so that would have been statutory r*pe on Robin’s part (meaning Robin had likely always been a creep). *and before anyone tries to quote the “but the age of consent in Japan is 13” schtick to me, that’s just the national minimum age (and is currently in the process of being raised to be 16), every single prefecture in Japan has passed ordinances raising the age of consent to be 18. So besides just being ethically scuzzy, Robin being in a sexual relationship with Kiriko when she was only 15 would indeed be criminal in real-life Japan (though hopefully most people don’t need legal validation to recognize the serious ick factor of Robin having potentially been in a sexual relationship with a 15-year old). This episode also provides further hints for the theory that not only had Kiriko been shot (in her head) before the brain transplant, but that Robin was the one responsible for it. If anyone is wondering “why didn’t Kiruko try to escape earlier?”, since Kiruko was able to break out of their tied-rope bonds on their own this episode, besides the the pragmatic reasons that they were likely aware that they wouldn’t have escaped (or gotten far) in the first place thanks to the staff/guards Robin had with him at the filtration facility, Kiruko’s trauma experience over the course of the past two nights had also likely severely debilitated their spirit and were likely resorting to submission just to survive emotionally and mentally at that point. For anyone confused and/or frustrated that Kiruko asked Maru to not kill Robin, it is important to keep in mind and understand that it is not uncommon for survivors of sexual assault to not have a desire to kill their abusers, especially when the abuser was someone the survivor had been formerly close to and cared about (like it was with Kiruko and Robin). In addition to Kiruko’s emotional and mental state being messed up due to the trauma, another significant reason why Kiruko didn’t want Robin killed, is that they specifically didn’t want Maru to become a murderer, especially on their behalf, literally staining his hands with blood. If one can remember from episode 8, Kiruko was particularly distressed by Maru viewing himself (or more specifically “his hands”) at only being good at taking away lives, so Kiruko caring caring about Maru not killing another person (even when it would have been largely justified) is consistent with what has been previously established about their character (and their relationship to Maru). Speaking of episode 8, hopefully most people noticed that during the scene where Mimihime gives Shiro a button from her uniform, the same OST (or a track very similar to it) from episode 8, when Dr. Usami cries after reading Hoshio’s final message, plays during this scene. If it wasn’t obvious by now, this is the point when the majority of the audience is expected to have realized that Mimihime and Shiro eventually grow up to become Dr. Usami and Hoshio from episodes 7 and 8. And those who were able to keep track of Dr. Sawatari’s panicked dialogue this episode will notice that the baby that Tokio was given in today’s episode, was the baby that did NOT have the circle drawn on its foot (and the word “maru” in Japanese can mean circle). Meaning (if we presume Maru is the child of Tokio or the clone of Tokio’s child), Maru was likely NOT the baby that Tokio received from Dr. Sawatari. Also the hardening ability Tokio displays in her cliffhanger scene this episode is basically identical to the dream(?) Tokio had of Asura in episode 6, where Asura asked Tokio “what are you good at?” So it is likely Tokio was manifesting her own abilities as a Hiruko-person in response to The Director attempting to take her baby from her. At the end of the episode we witness people from the Ministry of Reconstruction discovering the human & Man-Eater experiments that Robin Inazaki had apparently been conducting on people. If we recall from episode 3, this is apparently what Dr. Sakota (the doctor who performed the brain transplant with Haruki and Kiriko) had been rumored to be guilty of (and that Robin had apparently been “investigating”), so combined with the previous evidence that Robin had been a statutory r*pist of Kiriko, it is very possible and likely that those rumors of human & Man-Eater experimentation had actually been true about Robin himself (and thus had been attempting to deflect suspicion from himself onto Dr. Sakota). If the very last scene with Maru and Kiruko (around when the credits started) in episode 13 felt tonally jarring, that’s likely due to it being an anime original addition. The manga ends the equivalent part of the story with a somber page where you don’t see either Maru and Kiruko (directly on page) as the van drives away, with only the torn picture of Haruki left behind. And while in isolation Kiruko’s lines during the credits scene can arguably work as like a form of coping for them (with how some survivors of SA may try to initially brush off what happened to them), the cheery ED song playing over the scene really doesn’t help with that. Personally, the anime should have at least gone with a more somber remix of the song like how episode 8 used its version of the ED song. The episode 13 version still comes off as far too upbeat. The very last scene of episode 13 shows Mimihime, Shiro, Anzu, and Taka being taken by boat to a non-dilapidated bustling city. If it was obvious before, this is meant to be confirmation that the “Heaven” narrative not only took place in the past (approximately 16-15 years ago in 2023-2024), it also took place before the advent of The Calamity that caused the world to still be in a post-apocalyptic state in 2039 (Maru and Kiruko’s current time). The boat is also a subtle hint that Takahara Academy facility that the students like Tokio and Mimihime grew up in, was likely located on an island and thus was not located in either Nara or Ibaraki (said cities are both inland and do not have borders extending to the coast of Japan). Now, with this first season finished (which basically adapted up to the end of tankōbon volume 6), if anyone is interested in starting the manga, I personally would still recommend starting the manga from the beginning regardless, as in addition to the standard cutting of extra dialogue and scenes from the anime for run-time and cinematic pacing, the chapter titles and cover pages of the manga also play a role in experiencing the foreshadowing of the story that the anime can’t quite replicate (due to the inherent difference in mediums). The mangaka of Heavenly Delusion, Masakazu Ishiguro (who is active on Twitter), their most well known previous work is “And Yet the Town Moves” (also known as Soremachi), which was serialized from 2005-2016. They have also done a number of other single volume manga and short stories collections. Ishiguro's has also stated that the major influences for the Heavenly Delusion series, include the works Akira, Armored Trooper Votoms, and an old Japanese science-fiction novel titled "Dogra Magra" that was written Kyūsaku Yumeno (who appears as a character in Bungo Stray Dogs) and published in 1935.
2023-06-26 21:01:03 For those interested in reading along with the manga, Episode 13 adapted all of chapter 33, a little more than half of chapter 34 (18/34 pages), the last page of chapter 36 (1/31 pages), all of chapter 37, one scene from the first half of chapter 38 (4/28 pages), and half of a scene from the latter half of chapter 39 (3/24 pages). This is equivalent to about 2.83 chapters of manga. 5 pages from the end of chapter 34 that are important to the plot also remain unadapted. So combined with the brief flashes of memory from episode 3, the extended memory from Kiriko that Kiruko “remembers” in today’s episode (along with the comments from Robin’s goons) provides further evidence that Robin had (unfortunately) been in a sexual relationship with Kiriko in the past. Keep in mind Robin was in his early-to-mid 20s during 2034, and Kiriko was only 15, so that would have been statutory r*pe on Robin’s part (meaning Robin had likely always been a creep). *and before anyone tries to quote the “but the age of consent in Japan is 13” schtick to me, that’s just the national minimum age (and is currently in the process of being raised to be 16), every single prefecture in Japan has passed ordinances raising the age of consent to be 18. So besides just being ethically scuzzy, Robin being in a sexual relationship with Kiriko when she was only 15 would indeed be criminal in real-life Japan (though hopefully most people don’t need legal validation to recognize the serious ick factor of Robin having potentially been in a sexual relationship with a 15-year old). This episode also provides further hints for the theory that not only had Kiriko been shot (in her head) before the brain transplant, but that Robin was the one responsible for it. If anyone is wondering “why didn’t Kiruko try to escape earlier?”, since Kiruko was able to break out of their tied-rope bonds on their own this episode, besides the the pragmatic reasons that they were likely aware that they wouldn’t have escaped (or gotten far) in the first place thanks to the staff/guards Robin had with him at the filtration facility, Kiruko’s trauma experience over the course of the past two nights had also likely severely debilitated their spirit and were likely resorting to submission just to survive emotionally and mentally at that point. For anyone confused and/or frustrated that Kiruko asked Maru to not kill Robin, it is important to keep in mind and understand that it is not uncommon for survivors of sexual assault to not have a desire to kill their abusers, especially when the abuser was someone the survivor had been formerly close to and cared about (like it was with Kiruko and Robin). In addition to Kiruko’s emotional and mental state being messed up due to the trauma, another significant reason why Kiruko didn’t want Robin killed, is that they specifically didn’t want Maru to become a murderer, especially on their behalf, literally staining his hands with blood. If one can remember from episode 8, Kiruko was particularly distressed by Maru viewing himself (or more specifically “his hands”) at only being good at taking away lives, so Kiruko caring deeply about Maru not killing another person (even when it would have been largely justified) is consistent with what has been previously established about their character (and their relationship to Maru). Speaking of episode 8, hopefully most people noticed that during the scene where Mimihime gives Shiro a button from her uniform, the same OST (or a track very similar to it) from episode 8, when Dr. Usami cries after reading Hoshio’s final message, plays during this scene. If it wasn’t obvious by now, this is the point when the majority of the audience is expected to have realized that Mimihime and Shiro eventually grow up to become Dr. Usami and Hoshio from episodes 7 and 8. And those who were able to keep track of Dr. Sawatari’s panicked dialogue this episode will notice that the baby that Tokio was given in today’s episode, was the baby that did NOT have the circle drawn on its foot (and the word “maru” in Japanese can mean circle). Meaning (if we presume Maru is the child of Tokio or the clone of Tokio’s child), Maru was likely NOT the baby that Tokio received from Dr. Sawatari. Also the hardening ability Tokio displays in her cliffhanger scene this episode is basically identical to the dream(?) Tokio had of Asura in episode 6, where Asura asked Tokio “what are you good at?” So it is likely Tokio was manifesting her own abilities as a Hiruko-person in response to The Director attempting to take her baby from her. At the end of the episode we witness people from the Ministry of Reconstruction discovering the human & Man-Eater experiments that Robin Inazaki had apparently been conducting on people. If we recall from episode 3, this is apparently what Dr. Sakota (the doctor who performed the brain transplant with Haruki and Kiriko) had been rumored to be guilty of (and that Robin had apparently been “investigating”), so combined with the previous evidence that Robin had been a statutory r*pist of Kiriko, it is very possible and likely that those rumors of human & Man-Eater experimentation had actually been true about Robin himself (and thus had been attempting to deflect suspicion from himself onto Dr. Sakota). If the very last scene with Maru and Kiruko (around when the credits started) in episode 13 felt tonally jarring, that’s likely due to it being an anime original addition. The manga ends the equivalent part of the story with a somber page where you don’t see either Maru and Kiruko (directly on page) as the van drives away, with only the torn picture of Haruki left behind. And while in isolation Kiruko’s lines during the credits scene can arguably work as like a form of coping for them (with how some survivors of SA may try to initially brush off what happened to them), the cheery ED song playing over the scene really doesn’t help with that. Personally, the anime should have at least gone with a more somber remix of the song like how episode 8 used its version of the ED song. The episode 13 version still comes off as far too upbeat. The very last scene of episode 13 shows Mimihime, Shiro, Anzu, and Taka being taken by boat to a non-dilapidated bustling city. If it was obvious before, this is meant to be confirmation that the “Heaven” narrative not only took place in the past (approximately 16-15 years ago in 2023-2024), it also took place before the advent of The Calamity that caused the world to still be in a post-apocalyptic state in 2039 (Maru and Kiruko’s current time). The boat is also a subtle hint that Takahara Academy facility that the students like Tokio and Mimihime grew up in, was likely located on an island and thus was not located in either Nara or Ibaraki (said cities are both inland and do not have borders extending to the coast of Japan). Now, with this first season finished (which basically adapted up to the end of tankōbon volume 6), if anyone is interested in starting the manga, I personally would still recommend starting the manga from the beginning regardless, as in addition to the standard cutting of extra dialogue and scenes from the anime for run-time and cinematic pacing, the chapter titles and cover pages of the manga also play a role in experiencing the foreshadowing of the story that the anime can’t quite replicate (due to the inherent difference in mediums). The mangaka of Heavenly Delusion, Masakazu Ishiguro (who is active on Twitter), their most well known previous work is “And Yet the Town Moves” (also known as Soremachi), which was serialized from 2005-2016. They have also done a number of other single volume manga and short stories collections. Ishiguro's has also stated that the major influences for the Heavenly Delusion series, include the works Akira, Armored Trooper Votoms, and an old Japanese science-fiction novel titled "Dogra Magra" that was written Kyūsaku Yumeno (who appears as a character in Bungo Stray Dogs) and published in 1935.

For those interested in reading along with the manga, Episode 13 adapted all of chapter 33, a little more than half of chapter 34 (18/34 pages), the last page of chapter 36 (1/31 pages), all of chapter 37, one scene from the first half of chapter 38 (4/28 pages), and half of a scene from the latter half of chapter 39 (3/24 pages). This is equivalent to about 2.83 chapters of manga. 5 pages from the end of chapter 34 that are important to the plot also remain unadapted. So combined with the brief flashes of memory from episode 3, the extended memory from Kiriko that Kiruko “remembers” in today’s episode (along with the comments from Robin’s goons) provides further evidence that Robin had (unfortunately) been in a sexual relationship with Kiriko in the past. Keep in mind Robin was in his early-to-mid 20s during 2034, and Kiriko was only 15, so that would have been statutory r*pe on Robin’s part (meaning Robin had likely always been a creep). *and before anyone tries to quote the “but the age of consent in Japan is 13” schtick to me, that’s just the national minimum age (and is currently in the process of being raised to be 16), every single prefecture in Japan has passed ordinances raising the age of consent to be 18. So besides just being ethically scuzzy, Robin being in a sexual relationship with Kiriko when she was only 15 would indeed be criminal in real-life Japan (though hopefully most people don’t need legal validation to recognize the serious ick factor of Robin having potentially been in a sexual relationship with a 15-year old). This episode also provides further hints for the theory that not only had Kiriko been shot (in her head) before the brain transplant, but that Robin was the one responsible for it. If anyone is wondering “why didn’t Kiruko try to escape earlier?”, since Kiruko was able to break out of their tied-rope bonds on their own this episode, besides the the pragmatic reasons that they were likely aware that they wouldn’t have escaped (or gotten far) in the first place thanks to the staff/guards Robin had with him at the filtration facility, Kiruko’s trauma experience over the course of the past two nights had also likely severely debilitated their spirit and were likely resorting to submission just to survive emotionally and mentally at that point. For anyone confused and/or frustrated that Kiruko asked Maru to not kill Robin, it is important to keep in mind and understand that it is not uncommon for survivors of sexual assault to not have a desire to kill their abusers, especially when the abuser was someone the survivor had been formerly close to and cared about (like it was with Kiruko and Robin). In addition to Kiruko’s emotional and mental state being messed up due to the trauma, another significant reason why Kiruko didn’t want Robin killed, is that they specifically didn’t want Maru to become a murderer, especially on their behalf, literally staining his hands with blood. If one can remember from episode 8, Kiruko was particularly distressed by Maru viewing himself (or more specifically “his hands”) at only being good at taking away lives, so Kiruko caring deeply about Maru not killing another person (even when it would have been largely justified) is consistent with what has been previously established about their character (and their relationship to Maru). Speaking of episode 8, hopefully most people noticed that during the scene where Mimihime gives Shiro a button from her uniform, the same OST (or a track very similar to it) from episode 8, when Dr. Usami cries after reading Hoshio’s final message, plays during this scene. If it wasn’t obvious by now, this is the point when the majority of the audience is expected to have realized that Mimihime and Shiro eventually grow up to become Dr. Usami and Hoshio from episodes 7 and 8. And those who were able to keep track of Dr. Sawatari’s panicked dialogue this episode will notice that the baby that Tokio was given in today’s episode, was the baby that did NOT have the circle drawn on its foot (and the word “maru” in Japanese can mean circle). Meaning (if we presume Maru is the child of Tokio or the clone of Tokio’s child), Maru was likely NOT the baby that Tokio received from Dr. Sawatari. Also the hardening ability Tokio displays in her cliffhanger scene this episode is basically identical to the dream(?) Tokio had of Asura in episode 6, where Asura asked Tokio “what are you good at?” So it is likely Tokio was manifesting her own abilities as a Hiruko-person in response to The Director attempting to take her baby from her. At the end of the episode we witness people from the Ministry of Reconstruction discovering the human & Man-Eater experiments that Robin Inazaki had apparently been conducting on people. If we recall from episode 3, this is apparently what Dr. Sakota (the doctor who performed the brain transplant with Haruki and Kiriko) had been rumored to be guilty of (and that Robin had apparently been “investigating”), so combined with the previous evidence that Robin had been a statutory r*pist of Kiriko, it is very possible and likely that those rumors of human & Man-Eater experimentation had actually been true about Robin himself (and thus had been attempting to deflect suspicion from himself onto Dr. Sakota). If the very last scene with Maru and Kiruko (around when the credits started) in episode 13 felt tonally jarring, that’s likely due to it being an anime original addition. The manga ends the equivalent part of the story with a somber page where you don’t see either Maru and Kiruko (directly on page) as the van drives away, with only the torn picture of Haruki left behind. And while in isolation Kiruko’s lines during the credits scene can arguably work as like a form of coping for them (with how some survivors of SA may try to initially brush off what happened to them), the cheery ED song playing over the scene really doesn’t help with that. Personally, the anime should have at least gone with a more somber remix of the song like how episode 8 used its version of the ED song. The episode 13 version still comes off as far too upbeat. The very last scene of episode 13 shows Mimihime, Shiro, Anzu, and Taka being taken by boat to a non-dilapidated bustling city. If it was obvious before, this is meant to be confirmation that the “Heaven” narrative not only took place in the past (approximately 16-15 years ago in 2023-2024), it also took place before the advent of The Calamity that caused the world to still be in a post-apocalyptic state in 2039 (Maru and Kiruko’s current time). The boat is also a subtle hint that Takahara Academy facility that the students like Tokio and Mimihime grew up in, was likely located on an island and thus was not located in either Nara or Ibaraki (said cities are both inland and do not have borders extending to the coast of Japan). Now, with this first season finished (which basically adapted up to the end of tankōbon volume 6), if anyone is interested in starting the manga, I personally would still recommend starting the manga from the beginning regardless, as in addition to the standard cutting of extra dialogue and scenes from the anime for run-time and cinematic pacing, the chapter titles and cover pages of the manga also play a role in experiencing the foreshadowing of the story that the anime can’t quite replicate (due to the inherent difference in mediums). The mangaka of Heavenly Delusion, Masakazu Ishiguro (who is active on Twitter), their most well known previous work is “And Yet the Town Moves” (also known as Soremachi), which was serialized from 2005-2016. They have also done a number of other single volume manga and short stories collections. Ishiguro's has also stated that the major influences for the Heavenly Delusion series, include the works Akira, Armored Trooper Votoms, and an old Japanese science-fiction novel titled "Dogra Magra" that was written Kyūsaku Yumeno (who appears as a character in Bungo Stray Dogs) and published in 1935.

Haaa?

ugh im mad the season ended here but it is a good cliffhanger. The manga isnt too far ahead of this imo.

Theo Vorster

Unfortunately, there was honestly no good spot for a first season to end, this was honestly the least worst spot in terms of pacing and structure it could have ended for the anime.

WeavyBoo

Nah. That's literally the end of that chapter and arc. It isn't cutting anything big out. The manga chapter just kinda leaves you on a cliffhanger in prep for the next arc

Ledish

Man, Robin is such a pathetic coward. Dropped everything and ran begging for help the second he saw someone had entered. Acted all fake-cool for a second, then instantly betrayed his acting by trying to squeeze past while keeping as much distance as possible. Tries to escape again, is instantly folded, and eventually just slinks off like the slug he is.

Thomas Juino

i'm so mad that Shiro and Mimihime are the couple of the eyepatch doctor and the girl with all the machine and stuff so sad

Fernando Perez

A combination of a few things. One is Stockholm syndrome and the fact that Robin was essentially a big brother/hero to her. Another thing is that she probably didn’t want Maru to live with killing someone on his conscience, especially after that one episode where he had a breakdown about how he brought death wherever he went.

Tusk Ish

the beatdown you idiot, where did the show the rape in this episode at all?

Tusk Ish

can tell you got no faith in humanity thinking a person's actually mad about offscreened rape. go meet good people bro.

WeavyBoo

16:30 This is when I made the connection about the doctor and the girl being these two. The button, as well as the way Shiro's hair is looks more like how the doctor would have his hair. Bro I was flipping out when I noticed that

Theo Vorster

Yes, the Kiruko and Maru stuff ends the same way in the manga (minus the anime original additional scene right before the ending credits start) in chapter 34. But the difference with the manga is that Maru and Kiruko stuff (chapters 32-33 and the majority chapter 34) hadn't really been occurring simultaneously with the "Heaven" side of the narrative (like it was with the anime). So when the manga switched to exclusively focusing on the manga for a number of chapters (chapters 35-37), I think reader's were more receptive to take a "break" from the Maru and Kiruko side of the story. And the "Heaven" side of the narrative didn't end its scenes on quite as extreme a cliffhanger.

Theo Vorster

The manga is currently at 55 chapters published. The anime essentially adapted two-thirds of the existing published manga.

Luhbabytay

I mean all he probably did was punch him in the face multiple times. It doesn’t like he hit him anywhere else

zILovePelmeni _ (edited)

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2023-06-26 23:38:04 i think the reason haruki isnt as mentally fucked as he should is because kirukos body probably is used to it. We saw the sisters memory of him sleeping and robin said "since hes a deep sleeper" or sth, i guess he meant since he wont wake up from sounds we can f*ck all night. Ofc Robin was forcing her
2023-06-26 21:34:50 i think the reason haruki isnt as mentally fucked as he should is because kirikos body probably is used to it. We saw the sisters memory of him sleeping and robin said "since hes a deep sleeper" or sth, i guess he meant since he wont wake up from sounds we can f*ck all night. Ofc Robin was forcing her

i think the reason haruki isnt as mentally fucked as he should is because kirikos body probably is used to it. We saw the sisters memory of him sleeping and robin said "since hes a deep sleeper" or sth, i guess he meant since he wont wake up from sounds we can f*ck all night. Ofc Robin was forcing her

Kingmakaii

I’ve seen people say they drop the manga cuz of this also seeing people say the dropping the anime I understand cuz people are saying she’s pretending nothing happed which isn’t good I’m keep watching but I hope they come back to this later cuz she literally can not just pretend nothing happened like that’s how you get PTSD and suicidal like that will literally fuck you up mentally

Hasnain Khan

Yehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

britt

i dont think robin was molesting the brother. i think it was only happening to kiriko and it happened in the same room as her brother.

Ledish

Pretending like nothing happened after a trauma and kinda ignoring problems is also a fairly common (and unhealthy in the long run!) coping mechanism in real life. But yeah, there's also the fact that they are very desensitized from living in this post-apocalypse world. Trauma isn't going to register normally with them, but it can still also build up in a very bad way.

VictorBR45

I don't understand why leave a comment like BigSaberBro's. Like, man, this is the 13th episode already. Don't want to read the comment for this episode? Then don't. You don't have to show off your unpleasantness as a person.

Henderson C

The irony of telling someone to touch grass in the comments section of people reacting to anime lol

WeavyBoo

If people are dropping the show over it, they don't understand how survivors of sexual assault deal with it in real life. We do see her dealing with it in ways in the manga, altho there isn't much manga after this point that's out (maybe half a seasons worth)

Lucas Theret

Honestly I needed to see Robin get his ass beat. I was not satisfied. (And before manga readers say “oh just wait you’ll be happy” or hint towards anything, stop while you’re ahead and leave me alone

Cameron Robinson

That was one of the most sus birds I have seen in anime

Kisuke01

This has been my favorite show of this season sad to see it go can't wait for it to come back already

Cameron Robinson

Killing him could have caused people from that group come after them for killing their leader

Lawlach

Sheera writing the script again

Dzhalil

Robin gotta go is alls am saying bro

RuTo-San

🤔I love that theory but Haruki legit just got r*ped by Robin in Kiriko body. If some way some how Kiriko brain is combined with Haruki brain making her switch coconsciousness it would make sense but as of now I think she's dead whoever shot her in the beginning of the story had to be Robin or the Doctor.

britt m

Someone else made a comment about that and I nearly burst into tears. So many emotions hit me at once 😭😭

RuTo-San

hate to break it to you LOL I don't think it's gonna happen anytime soon

Fizzy

that would be a amazing reaction bojack is such a amazing show

Yoori

This is something I thought about when seeing the episode and the guards outside, that it definitely wouldn’t look good if Robin was dead and the two last seen near him was her and Maru BUT I don’t think that’s the reason why she told him to stop. Maru should’ve kept going imo like sorry sis but some people don’t deserve to live.

britt

i wouldnt put it pass the doctor to combine their brains. because how else would he be seeing part of her memories esp the sleeping one. i feel like robin was trying to replicate what the doctor did with haruki and kiriko but failed.

Art of Trolling

I don’t know If it’s me but, I feel like we didn’t progress much in 13 episodes.🤷🏾‍♂️

Troy Parker

Did I miss something what happened to episode 12?

RuTo-San

Props on writing this but godam bro practically wrote a book😂

RuTo-San

I know it sucks characters you grew attached to just end up like that.....

Theo Vorster

Kiruko just has remnants of Kiriko's memories, like maybe part of Kiriko's brain stem was left inside the body or remnants of her brain attached to the skull's aural connective tissue. In any case that fuzzy memory Kiruko recalled literally can't be from Haruki since it wasn't from Haruki's point-of-view (i.e. the memory was literally a person looking at a sleeping Haruki), thus it could only be a remnant memory from Kiriko. Now, the Doylistic reason for this likely due to one of the books that was a major influence on the series or the mangaka. In that science-fiction book (called "Dogra Magra") characters posit that the memory is stored throughout the entire body of a person, not just their brain. So Ishiguro is liking drawing on that as inspiration.

Theo Vorster

It's probably meant to parallel the crow/raven that watched Shiro/Usami kill himself in episode 8.

A.D.Z

Felt kinda weird to hear Zoro voice actor on Robin character… i was not super confortable with that 😅

Tirzah

It seems the tag was forgotten on episode 12 if that is what you are referring to, but if you look up 'heavenly' in the search bar it should come up with the rest of the episodes.

RuTo-San

Hopefully this get's renewed for another season it's just getting to the good part.

Garlic

word on the block is its been renewed for a second season but its gonna take a while. Attack on titan has trained me for this. I'm ready.

RuTo-San

I've missed this reading the manga but it seems 7:10 just theory I think the doctor combined both brains having both consciousness of Kiriko and Haruki and Robin know's how to switch out consciousness with Kiriko? So it's some hope that Kiriko is still alive this is kinda giving me Summer Time Rendering vibes with the brother and sister using one body.

Dooly

I’m surprised so many are expecting the worst from the ‘doctor’ 🤨

Dooly

We did but it’s hard for first time viewers to understand just how much was revealed.

Ougi

So glad its fukin over with

Greg Harrison

Flashback seemed to be that Robin was with the sister. Insinuating that the same thing happened to her

RuTo-San

@ If you look closely It's the same bed that Kiriko is in at 7:10 so just theory she has her brain still intact having her consciences separated with Haruki.

earthphoenix7068

The Heaven we were aiming for was merely a Delusion.

RuTo-San

I hate this theory but it might be true. I honestly think Haruki and Kiriko have separate consciousness when the doctor combined both brains and only Robin knows how to switch out with Kiriko.

13

I love how Sheera's theories are always either absolutely braindead, or spot-on like she's the author

EZ

Alot of times she just repeats what the show just says and acts like she knew already

matthew bremmer

Better than completely missing what the show says like some others on the 3 way panel.

Cameron Robinson

There has been some evidence with people getting organ transplants that memories are stored in other parts of the body. Obviously not visual memories but things like cravings and even addictions. If not a split brain thing, the author could be playing with that idea

Theo Vorster

Other than potential remnants of Kiriko's brain remaining, Doctor Sakota didn't combine Haruki's brain with Kiriko (not to mention Kiriko's brain would have been shot through already).

Theo Vorster

Other than potential remnants of Kiriko's brain remaining, Doctor Sakota didn't combine Haruki's brain with Kiriko (not to mention Kiriko's brain would have been shot through already).

Cameron Robinson

TW for Assault: Something that I thought was interesting thing to show in that horrible assault was that Robin was forcing Kiruko disassociate. Purposely trying to get Kiruko to disassociate her Haruki mind and Kiriko body. I thought that so fucked up that Robin was putting Kiruko in mental crisis just to more easily take advantage of Kiriko’s body. Now after the final scene I wonder if that disassociate helped Kiruko compartmentalize the assault as not happening to her but happening to Kiriko’s body. I am trying to down play the severity of the over a day long assault but just trying up something I noticed in the show that I have heard about how people dealing with trauma. Side note: I don’t think Kiriko saved Robin because of trauma or past feelings of platonic affection. I think she is just smart, level-headed person that she thought ahead to how killing the leader of a community could affect them long run, but just my theory.

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2023-06-27 03:25:58 She also doesn't want Maru to kill a human. The end of episode 8 showed how upset she was the Maru thinks he is only good for killing people.
2023-06-27 01:13:29 She also doesn't want Maru to kill a human. The end of episode 8 showed how upset she was that Maru thinks he is only good for killing people.

She also doesn't want Maru to kill a human. The end of episode 8 showed how upset she was that Maru thinks he is only good for killing people.

rickie woodson

muscle memory and ancestral memory is a thing roshi so.............

Theo Vorster

It's likely an all-of-the-above thing relating to Kiruko's remaining messed up feelings towards Robin, not wanting Maru to kill a person on behalf of them, the pragmatic potential consequences that killing an important figure in the Ibaraki community, and simply just wanting to get out and away from Robin ASAP.

rickie woodson

haruki is the brother's name so robin was saying "since haruki is a deep sleeper" either 1. he can get with him or b. he can get with kiruko and haruki would sleep right through it never knowing.

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2023-06-27 04:08:07 fuck robin all my homies hate robin and it’s all but confirmed that Shiro & Mimihime were the ones that died a couple episodes back w/ mimihime being the one in pieces tethered to all those machines & Shiro the one prolonging her life as best he could what a sad end to those characters nearly dropped a tear that episode
2023-06-27 01:57:18 fuck robin all my homies hate robin and it’s all but confirmed that Shiro & Mimihime were the ones that died a couple episodes back w/ mimihime being the one in pieces tethered to all those machines & Shiro the one prolonging her life as best he could what a sad end to those characters nearly dropped a tear that episode

fuck robin all my homies hate robin and it’s all but confirmed that Shiro & Mimihime were the ones that died a couple episodes back w/ mimihime being the one in pieces tethered to all those machines & Shiro the one prolonging her life as best he could what a sad end to those characters nearly dropped a tear that episode

Mervyn Larrier

I haven't read it, but I took from the "Haruki is a light sleeper" comment that Robin had a predatory relationship with Kiriko and would abuse her while Haruki was asleep mere feet away.

Pedro Barrera

Yeah, there is no enough manga material to make a second season right now plus the manga is on pause until i believe resume in july, too sad when i got into the last episode at the moment, have to wait for more, ty for the reaction ♥

Lola

So I think the doctor and Robin purposely placed that man eater at the race to catch a body to do experiments on but didn’t know it was going to be kiriko and her brother which is why the shocked face is significant. And the body of the women on the floor slowly being consumed by the man eater is a energy source hence “power plant”, I also can recall that Robin and hiriko town was a bit advanced so they might have had a “power plant” as well. I also noticed in the beginning of the show someone or multiple people kept telling hiriko that it is dangerous to be traveling as a girl, might be the reason why 🤷🏽‍♀️

nami

this comment made me so angry. not because of you of course but just the show

Theo Vorster

Kiriko not Kiruko. Kiriko is what the sister was named. The name Kiruko is created from Kiriko and Haruki’s names being combined and is what Haruki’s-brain-inside-of-Kiriko’s-body decided to call themselves after the transplant.

Theo Vorster

Yes, the mangaka took June off for a 1-month break (in order to prepare the publication of tankōbon volume 9 of the manga that just got released on the 22nd).

Jacob Artis

Where's episode 12?

Theo Vorster

The power in the Water Filtration Center wasn’t being powered by the Man-Eater. It was explained in the previous episode that the electricity is generated from normal turbines by the boiling of water.

Theo Vorster

They apparently forgot to tag it, so it has to be searched for by it’s title.

matthew bremmer

It isn't tagged so you can't search it. You will have to scroll through june posts. It is posted JUNE 19 AT 5:42 PM I find it just fine just now.

Merfhew

You can search for it fine, but it won't show up if you did a searc while the tag is selected. I messed up the first time myself.

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2023-06-27 06:17:57 I think Sheera is right that the old doctor Kiruko is looking for (Sakota) and the doctor who mixed up the babies (Dr. Sawatari) are the same person. I've been thinking this ever since we found out the Director wants a brain transplant, but I didn't want to mention it unless someone else brought it up first. We learned the old doctor's first name from Robin in the previous episode, but we haven't heard his surname. Meanwhile, the doctor who mixed up the babies is referred to as Sawatari-san, but we've never heard his first name. - They both wear glasses. - They have similar eye shapes. - They're both doctors. - They're both able to transplant brains. - They both seem*** incredibly shady. - Sakota has a scar wound on his forehead, and Sawatari has been bleeding from his forehead since last week. *** I don't think we've seen Sakota actually DO anything shady, but the show definitely wants us thinking he's bad news. Most of the shady stuff we heard about was told to Haruki via rumors from other kids and Robin. As we learned in these final two episodes, Robin seems guilty of the same stuff Haruki was warned about years ago (some of it, at least). One of the kids in Ep. 3 said he heard the doctor was secretly conducting maneater experiments, but now we know Robin was doing this. Or maybe they both were, but we hadn't known about Robin's involvement previously. And while we don't have confirmation that Robin is the person who kidnapped children (mentioned during Kiruko's flashback in Ep. 3), I'm guessing that was probably him. Robin's creepy behavior towards Haruki + Kiriko / Kiruko, his quote last week about being glad he found them as kids, and the fact that a dead women was found in his locked room makes the allegation seem plausible. Thinking back more on Haruki's flashback, I'm starting to theorize some new stuff after watching this finale. Like, why did Robin kill Kiriko when he did? At first, I thought she found dirt on him and/or planned to expose him for molesting her, meaning he wanted to silence her before she said anything. However, if that were the case, he wouldn't do so in a public space where he could be spotted. Heck, he wouldn't have allowed her to freely move around in the first place, because that would be risky for him. Now that we've learned he's researching maneaters, it all makes sense. Robin killed her because she tried killing the racetrack maneater. In that same episode, I recall child Haruki telling the other kids that Robin was really mad at him for killing a maneater (an offscreen event). Again, I originally thought Robin was a good guy, so I assumed he was mad at Haruki for putting himself in danger. Now, I'm thinking he was mad about losing a possible maneater test subject. Lastly, when Kiruko brought up Dr. Usami last episode, Robin specifically asked about the girl. We learned from Usami that Hoshio couldn't be allowed to die on her own, as she'd turn into a maneater. At first, I thought Robin asked because we've learned he's an evil disgusting pedo and Hoshio resembles a small girl (despite being an older Mimihime). Now, I'm thinking he asked because he planned on returning someday to collect her as a maneater test subject. We don't have enough information to determine Sawatari's motives, allegiances, and humanity (he appears to be scum WITH a conscience, unlike the Director and Robin), and we have even less information on Sakota. During the Ep. 3 flashback, we were led to believe that doctor = bad & Robin = good. Now, I'm thinking it's the opposite. Some people are theorizing that they're both bad guys (possibly accomplices), but after the Robin reveal, I'm gonna withold judgement until we've learned more. It's possible that Sakota / Sawatari (if the same person) is living a good life now, trying to redeem himself after failing Tokio and the other children. Or perhaps he's had an agenda of his own all along? This was easily my favorite series of Spring 2023. I don't think I can wait for a new season, so I'm probably gonna start reading the manga now (beginning from Chapter 1). I normally try to wait for a new season, but that's so far away. Roshi said a new season was greenlit, but I haven't seen confirmation yet. Even if he's right, the wait would kill me. Lol
2023-06-27 04:05:45 I think Sheera is right that the old doctor Kiruko is looking for (Sakota) and the doctor who mixed up the babies (Dr. Sawatari) are the same person. I've been thinking this ever since we found out the Director wants a brain transplant, but I didn't want to mention it unless someone else brought it up first. We learned the old doctor's first name from Robin in the previous episode, but we haven't heard his surname. Meanwhile, the doctor who mixed up the babies is referred to as Sawatari-san, but we've never heard his first name. - They both wear glasses. - They have similar eye shapes. - They're both doctors. - They're both able to transplant brains. - They both seem*** incredibly shady. - Sakota has a scar wound on his forehead, and Sawatari has been bleeding from his forehead since last week. *** I don't think we've seen Sakota actually DO anything shady, but the show definitely wants us thinking he's bad news. Most of the shady stuff we heard about was told to Haruki via rumors from other kids and Robin. As we learned in these final two episodes, Robin seems guilty of the same stuff Haruki was warned about years ago (some of it, at least). One of the kids in Ep. 3 said he heard the doctor was secretly conducting maneater experiments, but now we know Robin was doing this. Or maybe they both were, but we hadn't known about Robin's involvement previously. And while we don't have confirmation that Robin is the person who kidnapped children (mentioned during Kiruko's flashback in Ep. 3), I'm guessing that was probably him. Robin's creepy behavior towards Haruki + Kiriko / Kiruko, his quote last week about being glad he found them as kids, and the fact that a dead women was found in his locked room makes the allegation seem plausible. Thinking back more on Haruki's flashback, I'm starting to theorize some new stuff after watching this finale. Like, why did Robin kill Kiriko when he did? At first, I thought she found dirt on him and/or planned to expose him for molesting her, meaning he wanted to silence her before she said anything. However, if that were the case, he wouldn't do so in a public space where he could be spotted. Heck, he wouldn't have allowed her to freely move around in the first place, because that would be risky for him. Now that we've learned he's researching maneaters, it all makes sense. Robin killed her because she tried killing the racetrack maneater. In that same episode, I recall child Haruki telling the other kids that Robin was really mad at him for killing a maneater (an offscreen event). Again, I originally thought Robin was a good guy, so I assumed he was mad at Haruki for putting himself in danger. Now, I'm thinking he was mad about losing a possible maneater test subject. Lastly, when Kiruko brought up Dr. Usami last episode, Robin specifically asked about the girl. We learned from Usami that Hoshio couldn't be allowed to die on her own, as she'd turn into a maneater. At first, I thought Robin asked because we've learned he's an evil disgusting pedo and Hoshio resembles a small girl (despite being an older Mimihime). Now, I'm thinking he asked because he planned on returning someday to collect her as a maneater test subject. We don't have enough information to determine Sawatari's motives, allegiances, and humanity (he appears to be scum WITH a conscience, unlike the Director and Robin), and we have even less information on Sakota. During the Ep. 3 flashback, we were led to believe that doctor = bad and Robin = good. Now, I'm thinking it's the opposite. Some people are theorizing that they're both bad guys (possibly accomplices), but after the Robin reveal, I'm gonna withold judgement until we've learned more. It's possible that Sakota / Sawatari (if the same person) is living a life of good now, trying to redeem himself after failing Tokio and the other children. Or perhaps he's had an agenda of his own all along? This was easily my favorite series of Spring 2023. I don't think I can wait for a new season, so I'm probably gonna start reading the manga now (beginning from Chapter 1). I normally try to wait for a new season, but that's so far away. Roshi said a new season was greenlit, but I haven't seen confirmation yet. Even if he's right, the wait would kill me. Lol

I think Sheera is right that the old doctor Kiruko is looking for (Sakota) and the doctor who mixed up the babies (Dr. Sawatari) are the same person. I've been thinking this ever since we found out the Director wants a brain transplant, but I didn't want to mention it unless someone else brought it up first. We learned the old doctor's first name from Robin in the previous episode, but we haven't heard his surname. Meanwhile, the doctor who mixed up the babies is referred to as Sawatari-san, but we've never heard his first name. - They both wear glasses. - They have similar eye shapes. - They're both doctors. - They're both able to transplant brains. - They both seem*** incredibly shady. - Sakota has a scar wound on his forehead, and Sawatari has been bleeding from his forehead since last week. *** I don't think we've seen Sakota actually DO anything shady, but the show definitely wants us thinking he's bad news. Most of the shady stuff we heard about was told to Haruki via rumors from other kids and Robin. As we learned in these final two episodes, Robin seems guilty of the same stuff Haruki was warned about years ago (some of it, at least). One of the kids in Ep. 3 said he heard the doctor was secretly conducting maneater experiments, but now we know Robin was doing this. Or maybe they both were, but we hadn't known about Robin's involvement previously. And while we don't have confirmation that Robin is the person who kidnapped children (mentioned during Kiruko's flashback in Ep. 3), I'm guessing that was probably him. Robin's creepy behavior towards Haruki + Kiriko / Kiruko, his quote last week about being glad he found them as kids, and the fact that a dead women was found in his locked room makes the allegation seem plausible. Thinking back more on Haruki's flashback, I'm starting to theorize some new stuff after watching this finale. Like, why did Robin kill Kiriko when he did? At first, I thought she found dirt on him and/or planned to expose him for molesting her, meaning he wanted to silence her before she said anything. However, if that were the case, he wouldn't do so in a public space where he could be spotted. Heck, he wouldn't have allowed her to freely move around in the first place, because that would be risky for him. Now that we've learned he's researching maneaters, it all makes sense. Robin killed her because she tried killing the racetrack maneater. In that same episode, I recall child Haruki telling the other kids that Robin was really mad at him for killing a maneater (an offscreen event). Again, I originally thought Robin was a good guy, so I assumed he was mad at Haruki for putting himself in danger. Now, I'm thinking he was mad about losing a possible maneater test subject. Lastly, when Kiruko brought up Dr. Usami last episode, Robin specifically asked about the girl. We learned from Usami that Hoshio couldn't be allowed to die on her own, as she'd turn into a maneater. At first, I thought Robin asked because we've learned he's an evil disgusting pedo and Hoshio resembles a small girl (despite being an older Mimihime). Now, I'm thinking he asked because he planned on returning someday to collect her as a maneater test subject. We don't have enough information to determine Sawatari's motives, allegiances, and humanity (he appears to be scum WITH a conscience, unlike the Director and Robin), and we have even less information on Sakota. During the Ep. 3 flashback, we were led to believe that doctor = bad and Robin = good. Now, I'm thinking it's the opposite. Some people are theorizing that they're both bad guys (possibly accomplices), but after the Robin reveal, I'm gonna withold judgement until we've learned more. It's possible that Sakota / Sawatari (if the same person) is living a life of good now, trying to redeem himself after failing Tokio and the other children. Or perhaps he's had an agenda of his own all along? This was easily my favorite series of Spring 2023. I don't think I can wait for a new season, so I'm probably gonna start reading the manga now (beginning from Chapter 1). I normally try to wait for a new season, but that's so far away. Roshi said a new season was greenlit, but I haven't seen confirmation yet. Even if he's right, the wait would kill me. Lol

Joshua Burns

I think that memory was Robin messing with the sister and saying since he’s a heavy sleeper he wouldn’t wake up to him messing with her

Merfhew

@BigSaberBro - Can you, like, go away please? This community has grown toxic because of bullies like you.

Devin B

That face Maru made when Kiruko told him not to kill Robin is how I felt cause he definitely deserved more than what he got but Kiruko really don't know how to process what happened to her/him properly and they have mixed feelings about it

Anonymous

I think robin is the happy dude from the kid group taka or something like that, he probably lost the other girl anzu and just lost it. probably why he was cool with shiro n mimihime just specualtion thou.

Pedro Barrera

Oh really? Didn't know it was just a month pause since I just read the manga like 5 days ago, it is a monthly manga?

Arc

"The memories are stored in the brain" Muscle memory does exist.

Preston Bryant

Are there 12 episodes of this show or 13 and they just misnumbered

Daniel Robb

Without a brain you cant use your muscles... muscle movement is a part of the brain lol

Val

I think Roshi forgot to tag ep12 if you're filtering for it

DeAndre Woodruff

I think the manga went into more detail why Kiruko stopped Maru from murking bum ass, trash ass, sick ass, bitch ass Robin. I don't remember though. It'll be awhile for season too though. I think this is like 25 chapters in the manga and we're at 50 something now. They'll probably give a year or so before the next season. Hopefully they do wait, we don't need more no game, no life setups.

Daniel Turner

Depends how much of the sisters brain stem is still there which affects the contextual memory

SeriouslyJet

Anime Starts at Vol 1, Chap 1 Ends at Vol 6, Chap 38 Page 7. Current volume is at v.9 c.55. with a monthly chapter release. so not much material. Sadgeeee 😔 will have to wait for quite a bit

Theo Vorster

Yes, it is a monthly released manga. With the occasional breaks the mangaka takes, about 10 chapters per year on average are published.

Matrim Hall

I thought Maru was waiting for him to swing so it was self-defense.

Devin B

Nah he was just trying to mess with him saying there's nowhere for you to go. Him even throwing Robin back to the wall just cemented that point.

Theo Vorster

Not quite, Episode 13 adapted all of chapter 33, a little more than half of chapter 34 (18/34 pages), the last page of chapter 36 (1/31 pages), all of chapter 37, one scene from the first half of chapter 38 (4/28 pages), and half of a scene from the latter half of chapter 39 (3/24 pages). This is equivalent to about 2.83 chapters of manga. 5 pages from the end of chapter 34 that are important to the plot also remain unadapted.

Theo Vorster

I think Maru also specifically wanted to give Robin a taste of what it feels like to be powerless and at the complete mercy of another person, which is what Robin's victims have almost certainly also felt/experienced.

William Morris

I was kinda hoping they killed robin in the anime. I haven't read the manga but I don't see him being important for a long time because he'll have to create another experiment in a whole new civilization to become relevant again. Imma read the manga now to see if he is important again but damn I wouldn't have been mad if the director of the anime killed him off

Merfhew

Until the maneater reveal at the end of this episode, I wasn't sure if we'd see Robin again. Now, I think we definitely will. If / when that time comes, I hope it's only Maru who comes across him, not Kiruko.

William Morris

Or hopefully kiruko will get over their Stockholm syndrome with Robin so she'd be ok with letting him die

Dooly

The anime covered up to chapter 34 of a now 55 chapter ongoing manga. No, there wasn’t any more detail regarding the Robin situation.

Phroug

I'm always super conflicted whenever writers implement R wording into their stories. On one hand it is a very real and tragic thing that happens to unfortunate people, but on the other it just leaves me feeling incredibly uncomfortable about everything going forward.

Spriggz

I feel less shitty than when I read this segment in the manga. I still wish Maru would have at least broke one of his limbs or something, but ah well. I'll hold to the belief Robin will get whats coming to him later down the line

iMissDinklebot

robin was fucking for 2 days? gawd damn im jealous

Polygon

This is complete speculation based on the fact that I speak Japanese, but the baby with the circle on it's foot is likely Maru, as "maru" is the word for circle lol.

Jordan Postle

I think they were implying that Robin and the sister had some type of sexual relationship.

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2023-07-05 08:30:32 Yea I need some spoilers because I am absolutely confused Aint no way you can ending a season in the middle of an attack
2023-07-05 06:29:03 Yea I need some spoilers because I am absolutely confused Aint no way you can end a season in the middle of an attack

Yea I need some spoilers because I am absolutely confused Aint no way you can end a season in the middle of an attack

Max Stone

Dude literally wtf... he wasn't fucking for 2 days, he R*PED him on and off for 2 days. real sicko vibes over here

zer0clue

It's really not a long read. People just see long text and give up instantly.

Zonalsteve

So where is episode 12 ?

L Jeans

its not in the tags, you need to search manually unfortuante

hypokokoro

Episode 12 is not under this tag so kindly search for "Heavenly D Ep 12" manually.

The Husein

https://www.patreon.com/posts/heavenly-d-ep-12-84822504 This the missing episode 12, the just forgot to put a tag on it✌️

Soul King

Im just now watching and i believe Maru was one of the babies that were shown

Smurf 9892

it was more Robin was doing stuff to her, not a “relationship”

Smurf 9892

he bashed his head in a good amount, but bro was definitely going for the kill

Smurf 9892

it’s literally just stockholm syndrome. guy you worshipped your whole, spent years searching for, then caused you to have a trauma attack and identity crisis. its not something easy to mentally handle

Kinkaz

There is a thing about organs other than the brain retaining bits of memory even when transplanted into a different body.