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Vinland Saga 2x18 (Patreon)

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HybridEclpse

Guys...Is it messed up that I don't feel bad for what happened to Arnheid? I'm not saying what Ketil did was right cuz I don't feel bad for him either, this man needs a whole dumpster to himself. But she had to have known shit was gonna hit the fan extremely hard as soon as she decided to help Gardar. I get it, that's your husband, but ma'am you have (or had idk) an unborn child to protect at all costs, If she would've just stayed in the house with the old man, Einar and Thorfinn a few eps ago, none of this would've went down. The only person I genuinely felt sorry for was Gardar.

ShaquanVirse

I'm looking forward to Ketil getting fucked up!! Fucking coward!

ogking31
>>108195032

"you have an unborn child to protect at all cost" Yes and being a slave ISN'T really protecting yourself either, becasue Ketil was implied to literally do things with her in private without any type of consent. you're trying to play victim on Ketil when Ketil has always been not a nice person in the beginning.

Ginger Dwarf

Never done such a hard turn on a character. It's kino writing cause look at how he could barely stand to let someone beat a petty thief kid that he didn't even know. But to do something so gross to someone he loves. "We do the worst things to the ones we love"

Bradley Canning

Tbh with you all, that beating is really realistic for the setting, if that was real life things probably would have been worse. Ketil is the main guy he worked all his life to make it a great place for the slaves and too come back from an already shitty trip to his slaves who he treats so well trying to escape. If that was real life all of them thorfinn, einar and arnheid probably would have been a lot worse off. It's only messed up because its so unhuman in this day and age but back then this is probably tame.

TimmSchmimm

Nah but why you hating on ketil as if he is a horrible human. So far he was the kindest and softest man in this entire show by nature. He always tries to resolve things the most neutral way possible and even after his messed up background he remained as kind as ever. Now that someone like him is told 'yooo just so u know im going to take everything from you you ever had your entire farm everything because war politics and stuff. Huh, oh you are pretty much the only farmer on the planet who built up a farm like that with kidness and treating slaves fairly and offering them freedom? Ah unlucky... Well anyways, ill come kill you and take everything from you next week see ya. ' A weak hearted guy like him has no other choice but to break I mean god pretty much spat in his face and kicked him in the balls for doing only good things and after kinda having your entire reality shattered the only thing you seek is comfort just to find out 'this person betrays me too like god betrayed me how can I have not a single thing.' Then obviously the arnheid situation was a fat ptsd moment for him with another guy coming in and ruining what he has with his "loved one" (sure his relationship with arnheid was a onesided thing but he had his own delusion) like ofc he is going to let the anger out on her and the fact he manage to snap out of it and didnt kill her speaks even more so for him. Ofc someone like thors wouldn't 'succumb' to his anger but the characterization of ketil from start to end makes it clear he isnt that strong, he has a weak heart. I also wann say that this why vinland Saga is peakkkkk, this entire arc is so precisely crafted and every single event has been arranged perfectly, to me ketil's behaviour as a character makes 100% sense and honestly all of farmland saga is just a giant tragedy and depicts really well how messed things sometimes were during that time with slaves and kings etc. From Thorfin to einhar to arnheid to gardar to ketil up to canute evrything is an intertwined tragedy of "mankind". Idk peak fiction

Tyrese Marshall

What Ketil done is fucked up, but we know why the guy is pissed off. I feel if she wasn't pregnant too, people would be more understanding on his part. But he's still the nicest guy on this show besides Einar, Pater and Leif, but it shows that not every good person only does good shit, everyone does fucked stuff.

mal
>>108196056

i don’t think anyone can understand him beating her to almost death pregnant or not

Darth Marr

I feel like Snake is lawful neutral he's not unnecessarily cruel but he understands that slavery is how the world works and since he's just a man he doesn't go out of his way to be an especially good guy. However he still cares about others like Sverkel.

Tyrese Marshall
>>108195032

tbf Ketil has only been shown as a kid man, and a pathetic one at that and when owning slaves is legal, he clearly had a lot of respect for them unlike Gardar's master. However good shit like Vinland isn't gonna have anyone be cut and dried good or bad anyways.

Cruel Sun
>>108196056

Uh, he just beat a pregnant woman with her hands tied behind her back unconscious. I'm not really feeling understanding.

Tyrese Marshall

What I don't understand is, that Arnheid seemed kinda logical. She wanted to stay to protect her child. She originally went to Gardar because she had hope they could leave together. So how comes when she clearly saw he was dying, she still proceeded to try and escape with him?

ogking31
>>108195743

You clearly did not pay attention... him being a kind man is literally a stretch WHEN he's a coward who can't make decision DESPITE having that power to decide what punishment the kids would get OR let them go... but YET he forces a decision to have sex with arnheid without her consent in a lot of basis AND impregnated her without any consent?? That's not being nice, also him having a deal while also arnheid not having one is also a bad news. Thorfinn and Einar having a deal is so bad that it LITERALLY feeds off of Ketils greed for wealth and a coping mechanism so his slaves could be motivated. Sverkel told u this as well

ogking31
>>108196490

Because it's a given that she knew it was over for him and she has no way of escaping. She wanted to make him comfortable and having that hope of them going home even though deep down that's too late for him and her

ogking31
>>108196056

The guy is pissed off but THERE IS no warrant that should be at Arnheid. In fact he beat her because she was trying to escape from slavery. He would've DONE the same thing if Canutes intervention didn't exist. You forgot how Ketil is possessive about something he truly wants

Golden
>>108195743

BRO ARNHEID IS A FUCKING SLAVE HOLY SHIT. He doesn't need something like consent to do anything to her, he legit owns her. He could kill her literally any time he wants and it'd be valid because THATS THE TIME THIS IS TAKING PLACE IN. That's the whole point of this arc basically, TO SHOW HOW MESSED UP IT WAS. He is nice, IN THIS AGE (You have to compare to the standard and he's above that for this time), most slaves don't even get the chance to be free whether they do good or not, actually, the better they are, the more the master wants to make them stay. Before you start saying somebody was not paying attention, start paying more attention to something as elementary as the setting.

Sergio
>>108196056

pregnant or not he gained nothing out of beating her. she already knows she’s not going anywhere and her one reason for escaping is gone so what’s the point?? she learned her lesson already. i can’t wait to see ketil get his sht busted

Devin B
>>108196490

She basically made his request of leaving together come true. She thought she could at least do that much for him on his way out, even if it didn't make much sense.

Sergio

Also one thing i wanna point out is that regardless of what you think of snake he did good and saved arnheid from pretty much dying right there. He asked ketil these questions because he knows it’s a fit of rage meaning he’s blacked out and doesn’t really know what he’s doing. so he pretty much had to explain to him what he was doing and when he found out he stopped because he realized what he was doing (but also doesn’t regret it). honestly rn in manga snake is a top 10 character for me.

Greg Harrison

Sheera was right on the money. What did he think? That she was happy being a slave?

Anonymous
>>108195223

Exactly!! I hope he dies horribly and extremely painfully!!!

TimmSchmimm
>>108195743

Bro are u really that dense, ofc it's wrong what he does to arnheid but he doesnt know anything about the concept of consent do you know what time this plays in? Most ppl didnt even know what consent is 10 years ago XD. Also obviously he is delusional about his situation with arnheid I didnt think I have to mentioned this, he doesnt have any moral in that scenario because of his failed marriage + arnheid beeing a substitute for his lost "true love" that got killed etc. That is why he even thinks she betrayed him, from his perspective he isnt doing anything wrong its even the opposite, he think he is beeing good to her and his high moral standards dont apply to arnheid because he wants to be selfish with his sexual desire which in return stems from his trauma and he has this delusion. Ketil is legit just supposed to be another victim of his environment. Its a kind/weak man thrown into a savage world and the few traumatizing moments leave behind emotional scars (arnheid situation) so as he beats the shit out of the pregnant woman you also sympathize with as she is part of the maincast you are supposed to feel hate for him but in the end you should realize that your hate was momentary biase and even ketil is a victim and you shouldnt hate him for that, yes he is weak or a "coward" but in this era it's just the other side of the coin (kindness/weakness). Edit: I just broke it down for you even more but what the bro says above me is the same thing just simplified: It's to show how messed up everything was.

Lurkingposter
>>108195032

That's kind of the point. She knew it wasn't the rational decision (they dedicated 1/4 of an episode establishing see wanted to see him despite all reason) but people do shit out of emotion all the time (see Ketil in this episode for example). Unfortunately, things snowballed out of control. As for the unborn child, f*ck them kids. I choose my potential freedom from slavery over an unborn fetus any day of the week.

Lurkingposter
>>108196490

She went to see him not to escape but to just see him. She had no intention of escaping but sh*t happens.

ShaquanVirse

Nah y'all in the comments really trying to defend this fucking coward!!! I can't with y'all! He wasn't nice, he just avoided shit like the coward he is. Man full blown cheating on his wife and having his way with Arnheid. He beats a pregnant woman to near death and y'all still defending son? Wow!! Punk ass can't even raise his voice or hand towards his own crazy kids or the king

Pucki

can we go back to farmland? things were way happier back than thorfinn was even able to laugh

Lurkingposter
>>108197392

Snake is a decent guy who tries to do his best within the laws and norms of nordic culture.

Lurkingposter
>>108195743

You can understand a character and still think they are horrible. Askeladd was a horrible person but I also understood and liked him.

Anthony Maldonado

They did us dirty with the off screen reunion

Shadow Garden

That’s what Arnheid get for being ungrateful.

PalmMuteKeys

its funny that people condemn Ketil's actions (rightfully so) but love Thorfin despite him killing/seperating multiple families.

Theo Vorster
>>108199902

One, Thorfinn was a literally teenager when he was at his worst. But most importantly, Thorfinn is currently in the process of trying to actively atone for his past, like half (if not more) of this season is Thorfinn dealing with having committed/being complicit with so many heinous acts. That makes a huge difference in how a character is received and/or perceived.

Ethan

Thorgil was kinda right tho. The more cowardly the person, the more irrational their actions are. We saw it with the son, now we see it with Ketil.

Rhyan Pierre

The anime cut out the part of the reunion with thorfinn and Leif in the manga they hat a little reunion

Dyastro
>>108200489

It was after this....shitshow......they skipped over it initially in the manga too

PalmMuteKeys
>>108199902

I don't see how his age would make it any better. sure, he is actively trying to atone but that still doesn't negate the damage he's done to the victims, but yes your right about his character perception. Ketil is similar to Thorfin in that they both embrace the Viking culture of violence/vengeance when they think they've lost everything (Thorfin seeking revenge for his Thors death regardless of the lives his taking / Ketil beating Arnheid and going to war against Canute).

tacoloco
>>108198974

do you understand slavery or whats even going on in the farm. our morals don't transfer back to 800 years ago. he can kill them and not a single person would object. to act like arnheid doesn't have a incredible life would be a lie. EVERYONE on that farm works as she does. even his wife I'm sure she isnt dieing doing unfair labor she has a really good life even if she isnt free. any other slave master would be doing 100x worse to her

Terry King Jr
>>108198974

It could be the day after the big bang or the year 3150, beating a pregnant woman half to death is a bitch move, fuck is you talking about. Plus she's his SLAVE at the end of the day, he literally OWNS her, his lil temper tantrum makes no sense.

Ethan
>>108199266

Ofc your profile is another slave girl. I'm sensing a theme.

Ethan
>>108199902

Well age definitely does matter. There's a difference between adults and minors in terms of legal repercussions, psychology, and how they deal with traumatic situations. Thorfinn was essentially a child solider in a wandering mercenary group, where it was kill or be killed. Ketil is anywhere in his 40's to 50's and is a landowner and farmer.

PalmMuteKeys
>>108199902

In terms of psychology I guess your right but legal wise not much repercussion back then. And if there was, thorfin would get the short end of the stick Idk about wandering, he chose to stay to get a chance to kill askeladd since he felt like he had “nothing” to lose And here we see Ketil with losing everything , both characters driven into corners . I guess all characters aren’t solely evil/good

Infinity
>>108198974

damn bro where that energy IRL homie. Instead you flippin burgers

Xan Acktor
>>108200489

I hope they add it at the beginning of the next episode otherwise that seems like a huge oversight.

Ethan
>>108199902

I know back then was a completely different legal system. I was just saying that even our own legal system and modern views differentiate minors in the law. I meant Askeladd's group was wandering, not just Thorfinn.

ogking31
>>108200489

@Xan Acktor How so? Having a reunion in this matter is literally a bad timing and it wouldn't fit the narrative of the episode.

ayyyy

these comments are crazy, ppl defending ketil like they owned the farm themselves lmaooo

Ash

Hoping for a reunion flashback, but it probably will stay offscreen. :(

ShaquanVirse
>>108198974

So rape is okay? That's the perfect slave life? Roshi come get these niggas, they outta pocket!!

Dirty_Oldman

This whole episode was links back to Thorfinn wanting to find another way. They are just repeating the cycle. Hopefully we don’t have to see Thorfinn fight anymore this season.

Dirty_Oldman
>>108204066

I wouldn’t defend him. Although, think it’s crazy when people don’t keep that same energy when it’s a guy getting beat.

abdulrahman fahad

this is the wildest comment i have ever seen poor Arnheid taken as a slave having your son killed or taken because of the actions of the men in the village your husband included, being forced to have sex with a man you don't love and getting pregnant from it ,, only for a mf to come in here to say that she is ungrateful and that she had a happy life as a slave !!!!!!

szeth
>>108205649

At first I thought it was crazy but now looking back on it, it makes a lot of sense for his character. He lost everything and then the one person he confided in he realized also doesn't want to be around him. He always saw her as his property and not a human. Buddy is a pos

nickhaze
>>108204246

Theres no way its off screen, it has to be for another episode. This episode they just wanted to focus on ketil.

Outcast107
>>108199252

Not really. As it would have overshadowed mostly everything going on here. Plus it would probably have spoiled the reunion since the beating happened.

abdulrahman fahad
>>108205649

I agree it make sense , but the comments above where going to extreme lengths to understand his character but they refuse to do the same with her

Ketsu
>>108199266

all these rapists in the comments fucking pussies just like ketil fr

Patrone07

The fact is Arnheid was told to not go near her husband by snake, she lied to the dude and went anyway which lead to him getting killed then freed her husband which killed more people on the farm but she so fucking innocent yea right she is part of the problem that occurred with all those people that died her hands aren’t clean of it at all let’s be real she would of been killed if it wasn’t for that baby in her and her relationship with the master and she knows it

Jake Thompson

Everyone commenting Arnheid deserves it are the same ones who'd have trashed Thorfinn's field because slaves forgot they were property and started acting like human beings.

Randy Petitmaitre

Bro Imagine you're canute and you about to clap some cheeks and your Dad head is in the corner watching you WTF 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Shin splits
>>108208363

Me personally I’m not saying she deserves it. But she’s 100% at fault also. Snake told her to leave so she wouldn’t get into further trouble. She got 5 of snakes men killed. She made her decision to try to escape and she got punished for it.

JohnnySmoke

Mfs in the comments are bitches bro. "She deserves it" bro you deserve to be isolated from society

Shin splits
>>108205649

As much as I think what ketil did is unforgivable. Her actions still got 5 men killed. Of course she wanted to help gardar and that’s totally justified, but her actions but you have to expect consequences from those actions. That just how the world worked then.

Patrone07
>>108208027

Where do you see any blame in my statement these are facts and actions have consequences period it not a matter of who’s right

Patrone07
>>108208897

Her baby didn’t deserve it but unfortunately her actions lead to this, this isn’t matter of a clear right and wrong she got people killed whether it’s was for freedom or self preservation and when people die partly by your hands you can’t expect everyone is ok with that and think no bad karma is coming your way

Shin splits

Ppl saying Ketil is inherently a bad person or evil is wrong imo. It has been stated many times that Ketil is weak minded and a cowards. Ppl who are weak minded and cowards are the most susceptible to the environment around them and the situation at hand. Him spazzing put on arnheid isn’t him showing his true colors it’s rather showing how easily his someone who is a coward and can be affected by the situation around him. Yes Ketil is greedy but that doesn’t make him a bad person. Arnheids situation is horrible but as human you have the ability to make choice. Yes not a lot choices but she still had two. 1. Stay with Ketil and be unhappy but live and let your child grow or try to escape with gardar. She obviously choose the latter. Got 5 of snakes men killed and Ketil spazzed out on her. I’m not trying to justify Ketils actions but ppl saying Arnheid is innocent doesn’t make sense to me. Because 5 ppl are still dead because of her choice to free gardar. So should that be overlooked?

ayyyy
>>108208027

This comment giving major redditor vibes. Congrats on being technically correct lol

Calamiti (Bleu)

So I guess we know the stories that his son told about him were true, I guess either his father or just spending time on the farm had softened his heart and relaxed him since he wasn't in a constant state of life and death, where he could lose everything in one moment but now that Caunte threaten his lively hood he snapped back into the beast he was known as

Shin splits
>>108210364

There has also been many stories made already of how even good ppl can do the make horrible things (not saying Ketil is a good person). Ketils entire farm and life is in jeopardy because Canute is coming with an army to take it over and then you get home to find out 5 of our hired men are dead.

EZ
>>108210473

No he was NEVER IRON FIST KETIL

Sham3ful

Yeah this episode went from "Oh Leif & Thorfinn Jr are back, can't wait for the reunion" to just very traumatizing.

James

These comments really are trash dear god. People saying that they can understand why a dude would viciously beat a slave. Wild.

Muse of Salzburg
>>108210473

Not a spoiler. Ketil said to Arnheid that he made the Iron Fist Ketil stuff up the same episode we learned that that's what people think he was.

Washington Terauchi

this comment section is a whole warzone gahdamn 😭

Anonymous
>>108211955

I can understand why he would beat her but it doesn't mean i will tolerate this type of behavior. I just hope everyone won't tolerate this type of behavior even in real life...

Bachira

These comments sadly confirm to me that people today are no better than people were back during these times. It's wild that even with all our modern knowledge and morality, there are still people who defend shit like this. Ketil is masterfully written to show how the cowardice of those who have the power to change the lives of many people for the better will instead choose the most selfish and destructive route possible for the sake of worthless pride and entitlement.

Bachira
>>108208897

A slave owner beating a pregnant sex slave to death (I don't say almost because Snake is the only reason Ketil didn't finish the job, so in my mind, he might as well killed her right then and there) in large part because of his frustration at Canute, is among the clearest right and wrong situations I've seen. At the end of the day, Snake and his guests were literally defending the institution of slavery, and so the guests' deaths are their own fault. I'm not necessarily saying they deserved to die, but when you take away a person's rights, how can you complain when they do the same to you? And at the end of the day, Ketil didn't even beat her because people died. That would be a different conversation, however, he beat her simply because she tried to escape him. That's all.

Justin Neason

They really had to remind us, it is what it is.. Soon as I saw Ketil was giving her special treatment, I knew it was fucked, just not how bad it would get. Goofy ass mfs tryna defend slavery are funny, obv it's a 'part of the times' thing but no less fucked up

D Fud
>>108215012

right? like you can say its part of the times sure, but that doesn't make it any inherently less shitty. saying shit like "you can't put modern values into the past", nah nigga we can, this shit is absoletely fucked and trash, and ketils trash for that

Sy'mon Almeida

All of that bullshit is Arnheid's fault. she knew the man was a problem, she lied, freed him, 5 people died because of her, before that she tried to escape with him, she almost got Thorfinn or snake killed, even threw the old man in the storm. and she is a Slave. even if she was a regular person, that wouldn't be unpunished.. imagine as a slave. no woman deserve to be beaten, but she fucked up reeeeal bad. any other slave would have been tortured and executed. I hated the fact that she freed her husband, her son literally died because of him. died for Greed. I would be her I wouldn't give a shit about this guy.

Moon

People defending ketil have brain rot

William Zavala

Ketil is probably my most hated character in Vinland Sage. He just stayed fucking shit up, his family are trash too.

Onyekachi Nkenke

Nahh this comment section makes me sick

Candy

na but arnhied is at fault here, she was a slave, she was selfish the minute she said she was pregnant oh lord, even she said she lost one child due to basically hes husband and men from her village so she was going to protect this child make sure she lives on this farm grows up there but then she does stupid shit like that if you were a slave back then you do stupid shit like that they will hunt you down and use you as an example EINAR should have known better how many times has he tried to escape previously and he got caught, thorfinn should have know better 2

Donovan Doyle

Yo on God swear some of these commenters wish they were in the vinland saga age so they could be disgusting and feel "justified" sick fucks

Donovan Doyle
>>108213497

Yeah I just was saying half these people in the comments wish they lived in these times so they could have a slave they could fuck and be like "it's cool bro "

TheOGDaffy

Ketil is straight pussy lips yo. How you gon beat on pregnant women and start huffin and puffin but as soon as Canute wants to snag yo shit, you turn into a punk?

darnay mayberry
>>108213497

and it also shows if you try to help and change people's lives they will instead take the most selfish and destructive route. Just because Arneid got beat the fuck up doesn't mean she's automatically the victim

Donovan Doyle
>>108213497

I mean I think she is the victim Having been a fucking slave lmfao she never asked for this , episode really showing the andrew taters lmfao just move on to sex trafficking like him and get arrested as well lmao

Acen Yang

If anyone defends ketil I just have to say....seek therapy, seek friends(if you even have any), seek help and seek god.

DeAndre Woodruff

Y'all defending Ketil is WILD. This man essentially raped Arnheid, got her pregnant and then beat her literally senseless because she tried to escape.

Nabi

why is always comment section needs to be so extreme, is there no middle ground for your opinions? smfh

NJ

I remember seeing some reactions and comments saying Snake had double standards saving Arnheid life here but killing Gardar in the previous episode. Gardar is from a different farm, trespassed and killed people here, and was dealt with as a criminal. Arnheid simply tried to escape with him, nothing more. So Ketil was going overboard. That said, this was horrifying to watch. Ketil made the mistake of putting his faith into a person he owns and who's obligated to agree with everything he says. She had a decent family life as a free woman before. And he seemed to have forgotten she didn't choose any of this. He was absorbed in his own world, honestly. The tragedy of a very flawed man. And the tragedy of a perfectly decent mother who got caught up in the flaws of men.

Zazies Beret

I don't know why y'all surprised about the Ketil apologists. These incel fucks have been under most of the reactions constantly trying to justify some bullshit or finding some way to be misogynistic. Truly not suprising.

Thulani Mason

Something's telling me that (a) we probably won't seee the battle in the next episode and (b) we might not even have as a big of a battle as we're expecting. I suspect that Thorfinn might try to figure out how to circumvent the violence.

Shockzz1234

Everyone here defending Ketil is a fucking clown.

Jaden Coleman
>>108227768

When you have people defending the slave owner who literally just beat the life out of his pregnant slave, that will understandably cause people to have extreme opinions.

Olemgar

Just commenting to say a lot of people here do know what is what. Ketil is a complete piece of shit, simple as that. I'm happy he let go of Thorfinn and Einar, but that doesn't excuse his behaviour, just happy for the both of them.

Vincent S Deluca

To be fair Ketil is stressed out of his mind and about to go to war with the King of England and his army, then you come back and find out the woman you love (Misguided as the love may be) betrayed you and got many of your men killed. He is under a TON of stress and breaking down. doesn't justify his actions, but it does explain them. He is also going a lot farther than even he wants to cause of his emotions. Thats why snake acted the way he did. Yes he has the right to beat and kill Arnheid, but he gave him a second to realize what he was doing and calm the emotions and stress. Still terrible but this show is mostly about terrible people doing terrible things in terrible ways to people just trying to do their thing, tis the way of the times

Fizzy

Ain’t no way we got speds out here defending ketil 🤣🤣🤣

Jayden Holder

This is the only trash thing ketil did in the show

Nabi
>>108227768

you know what's crazy part is? I read all the comments and except 2 or 3 troll comment, there was no genuine “defending the slave owner”. You see one “Everyone here defending Ketil is a fucking clown.” comment and think there were actually people doing that, literally a twitter-like circle jerking is going on under this comment section.

Dirty_Oldman
>>108227768

That’s because people can think rationally and jump to the extreme on the internet. It’s all about picking a side and not actually talking.

Sixaxis112
>>108237911

Even if it was the only trash thing he did (which it isn't, he's slave owner so he's already trash) that doesn't excuse what he did.

YoungSalsa
>>108237911

You don’t remember him using Arnheid as a sex slave? And getting her pregnant? Or using another person’s name? Cmon now, let’s not act like he’s a good person, Ketil’s just less shit then the shit around him.

Jelly123354363562345

Man am I excited to see either Einar or Cannute beat Ketil till he inside out. I will be ready hopefully next ep.

Jigga Man

Arnheid really thought the coochie was worth the lives of 5 men

Jordan McKenney

When people realize that a “nice slaveowner” is an oxymoron

Ethan
>>108262781

Same energy as "He's such a gentle Nazi" lmao

Abstract Dread
>>108237022

thank you, a honest objective take on the situation in a scope as a whole. Dude was definitely wrong but too many things one after the other happened to him in such a short time for him to be completely sane and composed.

Raging

“Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.” The perfect quote for the coming storm

Mary L.

Nah bro. People defending/justifying Ketil’s actions (even as a “joke”) are not it. He’s a full trash landfill and needs to go. Based on some of these comments, I can’t wait for Ketil to get his shit rocked.

Earphone Jack

Ketil is trash and a punk ass bitch! He’s too scared to fight a man but had no issues beating a tied up Arnheid with a wooden stick! I hope Canute’s forces kill him, that creep that was watching Arnheid in the farm, and burn his whole farm to the ground! 😤😤😤 I just want Arnheid to be happy. Is that too much to ask? She doesn’t deserve this at all. 😫😫😫

Alexis Sullivan

I think the combination of Canute coming to steal his farm then coming home and finding out his "favorite slave" tried to leave, he feels like he's losing everything all at once and that's what made him snap. I feel like if the situation with Canute wasn't happening then Ketil might have been more more lenient with Arnheid. That said, he's a piece of shit and I hope Canute burns everything to the ground and kills Ketil.

GraffitiTurtle

After seeing that YouTube community post I don’t even want to scroll up, how tf could people walk away from this episode on Ketil’s side. Like what sort of warped lens have y’all been watching this show through. Some serious brain damage happening here. Absolutely zero empathy for a woman that’s had to suffer for so long and has always been at the mercy of everyone around her. You can understand Ketil without acting like he’s justified in beating a defenseless pregnant slave to near death, just because he sees her as his “property.” Because she’s his slave and he doesn’t care about her in any way other than as his possession, and he refuses to give up any of his possessions. So much for “being afraid of violence.” Honestly I don’t think I’d be this bothered if this anime wasn’t so grounded and historically accurate. People like this actually existed. Yet even when shown the full scope of Arnheid’s suffering, there are people that would still support her fucking slave owner instead. I genuinely can’t think of any reason for that other than misogyny. Fucking hell.

Thamor
>>108293977

Canute isn't coming to burn anything as he is trying to steal everything Ketil owns. The reason why Ketil is so unstable in this episode is because he knows he is in a unwinnable situation and basically Canute declared his death sentence.

Kinsmoke William

I'm not even a Ketil fan or anything of the sort but Arnheid is fucking stupid regarding the events of this episode. Her priorities were every kind of fucked up! Let's just say you're working a job and you fuck something up, when you're boss confronts you and asks for an explanation are you going to use your opportunity to set the story straight or sit there in your feelings until they decide to get rid of you. Now take into consideration that this boss put a baby in you (which you haven't told them), is in his right to be displeased with your conduct while they've been away and they came to see you with a stick in hand for whatever reason. I'm sorry but what are you sitting there silent for like you ain't had time to think and like this man does not own you in the same way he owns the horses in that stable. In her defense she was probably getting clapped no matter what she said but at the end of the day she was totally resigned, not a smidge of preservation for her self or child... I personally can't respect that

Castaway Figi

might show a flashback for the reunion

Toria

Can’t believe what am reading here but all I have to say all y’all people that defending that fucker ketil y’all need help. Second this mf ketil is such a jackass this women told you she having your baby and don’t believe her. Bro all those years only person fucking is you. Are you fucking kidding me I hope all this energy he have I hope he do that to the king . I hope he gets it the wrost bitch ass

raben konig
>>108333075

You're looking at this from a relatively privileged and modern perspective. Arnheid is not a worker, she's a slave. It wouldn't have mattered if she explained herself or not. Ketil, in his blind rage and bruised ego, would've still beat her to death. Hell, he even did so AFTER she told him that she's carrying his child, and probably would have beat her harder if she attempted to explain herself. Her being quiet was the smart move, imo. I've been saying this since the first episode, but Ketil is an evil man. Even if he put up a compassionate facade, he still owns humans as property. It was only a matter of time, as shown in this episode, before he dropped his mask and showed his true colors. There's no nuance in regards to him.

Isaac Cobbinah
>>108357570

from his perspective, he about to lose everything and they told him the one person he trusted tried to escape from him, is it that surprising that he would react this way?

Isaac Cobbinah

Its crazy how one terrible day can make everyone look at you differently, before all of this, wasnt he a "good master". Even this behavior is out of character for him. what he did was fucked up, but i dont know if im ready to throw away this character. What Ketil did is 1 drop in the ocean compared to some of the shit thorfinn did

Anonymous
>>108391170

I agree with you, Thorfinn gets a lot of leeway because we are so attached to him and we've "understood" why he did the things he did. It will be harder for people to empathize with the slave owner who almost killed his slave and baby.

Kinsmoke William
>>108333075

So I'm incapable of appreciating nuance in the same way that you are as a human existing on this earth at the same time? I can be aware of everything you said, what I've said should be irrelevant of time or age. If you've both had and lost a child then maybe you could appreciate the at times overprotective maternal and paternal instincts, it's just human. Perhaps you don't and can't, either way regardless of the likelihood of it working you're saying that she should have sat there and waited to get battered? You're acting as though slaves can't beg. And yes I'm saying she should have begged while pleading her case, at least if she wanted to protect her child. And however you feel about Ketil shouldn't make you disregard the facts. Ketil adored Arnheid, she could've had the chance to say her piece if she didn't effectively ignore him is all I'm saying. Plus like I said before, she's just stupid. Even if he did listen who would believe 'I tried to run away with my unborn child and my hubby, hubby's dead now but please take care of our new baby!' 🤦🏾‍♂️

ogking31
>>108391170

He was never good... you might think he's good because of the deal he had with einar and thorfinn... But what about arnheid? oh wait she's his favorite so he can't let her go. Also if you didn't know she's literally a sex slave and definitely is when u see arnheid being pregnant

DestructoDiscman

Patreon sees a rapist and a slave owner: let's defend him (or if you want to be more nuanced the whole point of his character is to show that even a "good" slave owner is morally compromised and only "good" when his life is comfortable and that even if it was a common practice at the time owning slaves was still bad!)

danial javady
>>108391170

the guy was always a piece of shit. Thorfinn actually had a ridiculously hard life. This guy didn't, at god damn all. Put this clown through any sort of conflict/struggle and his true pathetic character shows.

Isaac Cobbinah
>>108391170

In a world where slaves and wars are as common and not even looked as immoral, and compared to many characters we have seen, he's not the worst we have seen. This guy actually had a mental breakdown that led to his horrible decision, unlike thorfinn who needlessly killed at some point.

Cjthagreat

Too many people crying in these comments

Ajwidascope

Bro there’s no way you guys are comparing him to thorfinn , thorfinn has Nvr raped or beat up a pregnant woman he was in war strictly , as a slave owner even if he was a “good” one he’s still a slave owner if the bad thing you’ve done outweighs the good your a bad person simple.

Kumi Chan

I feel like Ketil has a right to be angry, but I do not fuck with what he did to Arnheid in spite of his emotions. Sure he's losing everything in front of him but he decides to beat his pregnant slave because Arnheid tried to "run" away? Ketil is sick and irredeemable.

Drake Rage

Y'all better hate Askeladd too then, cause he was a 1000 times worse of a human being than Ketil, lmao. This was literally 1 action from Ketil during extreme mental distress, while Askeladd did this to countless villages, entire villages, you bet there were many pregnant women in those villages that he burned down and murdered. (Askeladd and his men literally killed babies ON-SCREEN, if you might have forgotten)

ok
>>109510413

I agree with the sentiment here. But you have to remember they forgot everything from s1. Like they forgot "Vinland" existed and Roshi thinks Askelad is someone Thorfinn loved and viewed as his main father figure - instead of someone who just had a profound impact on him and with whom he had a very warped relationship. A deluded perception of Askelad to be sure.

Drake Rage
>>109510413

Yeah, I am trying to remind them, I had written a whole thesis paper for a comment when Roshi and Sheera originally called him a father-figure like 8 episodes ago, lol.

Hello
>>109510413

There's a difference here especially from a viewer perspective. Everyone knows askeladd is a terrible person or acts like one for the entirety of his screen time. He himself is aware of that. Ketil does something like this to firstly, a character we as well as the other main characters have connected with making this hit much harder and ketil isn't taking much responsibility for what he had just did vs askeladd who again was terrible but acknowledged that and we had more time to actually connect with a character as bad as askeladd. It's sorta like comparing a likable villain to a much less likable side character. One has done much worse but the other did this to a character the viewers have actually fell in love with making this much harder to digest

Hello
>>108438549

That's not right though. Yes ketil had a mental breakdown which led to this but thorfinn basically had a mental breakdown for his whole life. Like literally from 4 to 16 bro was not ok lol. He experienced his father die in front of him at a very young age too. Ketil has had a difficult life as well but comparing it to thorfinns isn't ok. It's different. By like a lot.

William Morris

yo ngl though she shoulda seen that coming after 5 dudes got clapped and she tried to run away with her husband. she's a slave and she's not a farming slave she's a sex slave. I'm not saying its right but I'm saying why was anyone surprised this was coming. even if they told him what actually happened then he still would have beat her. He's a slave owner you think you can buy a persons life and be a great guy? he's an ok dude he lets his slaves buy back their freedom with land he lets them use but in the end he is still a slave owner of course he's a POS. use your brains. out of all the evils in the world being a murderer, a rapist, a pedophile, and a slave owner are all pretty up there for being the worst human to live and slave owner may seem out of place on that list but slave owners normally do all 3 of those previous things, and luckily ketil doesn't do 2/4 so as far as being a slave owner goes he's halfway up there on the nice guy list.

Victor Grubbs
>>109510413

Askeladd never hid who he was or pretended to be someone he wasn’t. Meanwhile, Ketil puts on a nice face and looks pretends to care for his people, but at the end of the day, when he’s inconvenienced, how he really feels always comes out: Olmar was is a buffoon, Thorgil is a psychopath, and Arnheid is his “property”.